[MD] 4 Mark - corrected.

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Hi Marsha,

I did not say that truth was an individual's point of view.  Such a point
of view comes after truth.  It is what creates the patterns (that you
consider to be "flowing").  I am not sure what you mean by patterns flowing
since such patterns are constructed by consciousness.  As I have said
previously, we create patterns; they are non-existent outside of our
creation.  There is no flowing, there is production of patterns.  Truth is
the starting place for those patterns to be produced.  Sorry this doesn't
make sense to you.  You are looking at truth objectively and that is a dead
end.  Please read Pirsig's books with this in mind.



You have no interest in truth since you are hoping to find it somewhere.
Of course you will never find it, since you are stuck in a relative truth.
There is nothing to base such truth on.   It is trying to construct truth
as some objective absolute that results in paradoxes.   With my
interpretation of truth, there is no paradox.  Don’t worry if you do not
understand this, it takes a different perspective from the one which you
have.  It has to do with Quality.



In terms of new topics, I was following up with you on your comments, so it
was you who started the subject of value interacting with consciousness.
If you made this statement by mistake, or wrote with little thought, I
understand that.  However, one should take responsibility for one's own
statements don't you think?  How else are we to take you seriously?  I will
keep in mind that many of your comments are not well thought out, and that
you do not wish to elaborate on them.



Your comments are entertaining and I will not question them.  Thank you for
the soliloquies.





Regards,

Mark

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:54 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:


Hi Mark,

Your definition of truth makes very little sense to me.  It doesn't seem to
be a legitimate definition.  What does it mean to say 'truth' is an
individual's point-of-view?  Would that be whatever flavor of pattern is
flowing through consciousness at any given moment, like thinking that
'truth' is an individual's point-of-view?  Maybe you have your own paradox
to unravel.  And such a definition doesn't seem to fit  your concerns to
"considering patterns as hypothetical" either.  I am worried that next
someone is going to define 'truth' as a chocolate chip cookie.

If you'd like to discuss a new topic concerning consciousness, I suggest
you start a new thread.


Marsha



Mark previously: I wrote on truth in previous recent posts, both to Ron and
dmb.  Here it is in a nutshell.  Truth is that place from which we start in
our creation of patterns.  It cannot be pointed to, because it is the
window through which we view all else.
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