[MD] a Zen truth

[MarshaV]

Hi Carl,

Yes, I have seriously considered that Mark adopt's such a view, but it _his_ view using _his_  lens and _his_ rhetoric (_his analogy_).  And _his_ judging others.  I need not accept or reject _his_ need for 'truth' or 'meaning'.  Nor do I need to accept plural, provisional, pragmatic static patterns of value as _being_ mainstream American Pragmatism.  It could be interesting to enthusiastically explore, compare and contrast, but not see the MoQ trapped there.  


Marsha 







On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:07 AM, "Carl Thames" <cthames at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Isn't this the key to the whole MOQ thing?  Too many get caught up in the good/bad dicotomy and end up on the hamster wheel of time.  I don't know if you realize it, but this is exactly what Mark has been talking about for some time now.  It's all about the lens through which you view experience. It's not about the experience, the results of the experience, etc.
> 
> Carl
> 
>> Hi Ian,
>> 
>> How to be a responsible and social being without climbing on a bandwagon? It boggles the mind.  It may point to why the monk goes off into the woods.  How to live where All is Goodness, while living within good-bad, good-bad, good-bad, good-bad, good-bad, good-bad patterns...  My only way to remove from the dilemma is in mindfulness where it dissolves.  But, but, but...
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
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>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting indeed.
>>> 
>>> Zizek also says "taking sides" is the problem. The bigger the issue
>>> (global warming, banking crisis, religious fundamentalist terrorism
>>> for example), the bigger this problem - where it is most humanly
>>> natural to stand up and be counted on one side (or the other).
>>> 
>>> Ian
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:16 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Interesting...
>>>> 
>>>> If you want the truth to stand clear
>>>> before you, never be for or against.
>>>> The struggle between "for" and "against"
>>>> Is the mind's worst disease.
>>>> (Sent-ts'an, 700CE)
>>>> 
>>>> 
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