[MD] social engagement

[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,

On Sep 28, 2012, at 12:29 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> You are answering my question with a question...

I know, but I didn't understand your question.


> On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:57 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Within a discussion, where the first principle is the idea that the world is nothing but _value_, what could you possibly be asking in such a question?  
> 
> My question was what do you find meaningful.  You can use MoQ if you want.

Firstly, there is your presumption of a homunculus that finds anything?  What is that about?  Second, within the MoQ there is Value(Dynamic/static).  What is this 'meaningful' you are asking about?  


>> You wrote that the statement "all is analogy" leads to Existentialism and 'meaninglessness'.  ???  You should be answering the questions, not me. -
> 
> The statement that all is analogy is a stack of turtles.  This has no meaning to me with regard to Quality.  

A stack of turtles?  It has no meaning to you.  Oh my.


> You start with value as the beginning of your stack.  What meaning do you then create from this?

There's that presumption of a homunculus who creates meaning, again, or so it seems.  I haven't found such a creator; it's my guess that it is a pattern to think that one exists.  Either way, as it stands I cannot relate to your question.  


>> You asked where I "find" meaning?  What do you mean by 'meaning'?
> 
> Do I need to define meaning?  You know what I mean by this.

Yes, please define the 'meaning' you are asking me to provide?  Can you define it without using any turtles that aren't standing on other turtles that aren't standing on other turtles that aren't standing on other turtles etc., etc., etc.? 


>> What type of 'meaning' do you expect me to find?  
> 
> I have no idea, that is why I ask the question.

Does 'meaning' relate to time?  Is 'meaning' something to be established in the context of a millisecond?  An hour?  A day?  A week?  A year?  A life time?  The meaning of 2012 is _plastics_; no, that doesn't work.  What are you asking?  Some kind of judgement?  Not everyone leans toward being judgmental. What?  Shouldn't we stick to discussing Value, or Quality?  It might be helpful if you would answer my questions.  What do you mean by 'meaning'?  Please explain.


>> The MoQ is about Value(Dynamic/static); why should I expect to find 'meaning'?  
> 
> Why else would you provide this statement?

You'll need to explain this response/question.  It makes no sense to me.   



Marsha


> Cheers,
> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:59 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> All I was asking, is what is meaningful to you.  Do I really need to define terms for me to ask that?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:58 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:04 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>>> My "presupposing" is that we create meaning.  You do not have to agree with
>>>>> this.  The search for meaning is meaningless so far as I am concerned.  It
>>>>> is not like "meaning" is hiding under a rock or anything.  Does this make
>>>>> sense?
>>>> 
>>>> You asked where I "find" meaning?  What do you mean by 'meaning'?  What type of 'meaning' do you expect me to find?  The MoQ is about Value(Dynamic/static); why should I expect to find 'meaning'?  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> MoQ is about a presentation of Quality in metaphysical terms.  
>>>> 
>>>> Than what is 'meaning'?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> As such, it only has the meaning we create in it.  
>>>> 
>>>> Is 'meaning' more real than Quality?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I am not sure what your purpose is, but I would like to think it to
>>>>> be divine.  
>>>> 
>>>> You think my purpose might be to be divine as opposed to being mundane?  Or you think my purpose might be to be divine as opposed to being all that is non-divine?  I suppose you want the truth?  -  I am interested in static (patterned) quality?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Without your purpose, none of all this would be like it is.  Everything plays a part.
>>>> 
>>>> Why shouldn't I think that "purpose" isn't one more pattern which values its own purpose?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> Do you like my questions?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Isn't there some presupposing going on here?  What do you mean by
>>>>>> 'meaning'?  What type of meaning do you expect me to be searching for?
>>>>>> The MoQ is about Quality(Dynamic/static); why should I search for
>>>>>> 'meaning'?  What next?  A Divine purpose?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Life is thus; I prefer to recognize Quality.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 12:30 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marsha,
>>>>>>> Yes, but that was just an analogy.  Where do you find the meaning?
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:33 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The last time that I checked, meaningless was not included in the
>>>>>>>> definition of analogy.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>