[MD] social engagement

Sat Sep 29 16:11:32 PDT 2012

Hi Marsha,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this matter, it has been most
interesting.  I am still not sure how what you present has to do with MoQ,
but I will keep tuned to your posts.

Meaning is fundamental to MoQ.  I am not sure why you are confused by it.
 Ron put it well, meaning is value.

Good luck on your path, I wish you well.

Regards,
Mark

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:29 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Hi Mark,
>
> On Sep 28, 2012, at 12:29 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Marsha,
> > You are answering my question with a question...
>
> I know, but I didn't understand your question.
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:57 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Mark,
> >>
> >> Within a discussion, where the first principle is the idea that the
> world is nothing but _value_, what could you possibly be asking in such a
> question?
> >
> > My question was what do you find meaningful.  You can use MoQ if you
> want.
>
> Firstly, there is your presumption of a homunculus that finds anything?
>  What is that about?  Second, within the MoQ there is
> Value(Dynamic/static).  What is this 'meaningful' you are asking about?
>
>
> >> You wrote that the statement "all is analogy" leads to Existentialism
> and 'meaninglessness'.  ???  You should be answering the questions, not me.
> -
> >
> > The statement that all is analogy is a stack of turtles.  This has no
> meaning to me with regard to Quality.
>
> A stack of turtles?  It has no meaning to you.  Oh my.
>
>
> > You start with value as the beginning of your stack.  What meaning do
> you then create from this?
>
> There's that presumption of a homunculus who creates meaning, again, or so
> it seems.  I haven't found such a creator; it's my guess that it is a
> pattern to think that one exists.  Either way, as it stands I cannot relate
> to your question.
>
>
> >> You asked where I "find" meaning?  What do you mean by 'meaning'?
> >
> > Do I need to define meaning?  You know what I mean by this.
>
> Yes, please define the 'meaning' you are asking me to provide?  Can you
> define it without using any turtles that aren't standing on other turtles
> that aren't standing on other turtles that aren't standing on other turtles
> etc., etc., etc.?
>
>
> >> What type of 'meaning' do you expect me to find?
> >
> > I have no idea, that is why I ask the question.
>
> Does 'meaning' relate to time?  Is 'meaning' something to be established
> in the context of a millisecond?  An hour?  A day?  A week?  A year?  A
> life time?  The meaning of 2012 is _plastics_; no, that doesn't work.  What
> are you asking?  Some kind of judgement?  Not everyone leans toward being
> judgmental. What?  Shouldn't we stick to discussing Value, or Quality?  It
> might be helpful if you would answer my questions.  What do you mean by
> 'meaning'?  Please explain.
>
>
> >> The MoQ is about Value(Dynamic/static); why should I expect to find
> 'meaning'?
> >
> > Why else would you provide this statement?
>
> You'll need to explain this response/question.  It makes no sense to me.
>
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
> > Cheers,
> > Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:59 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Marsha,
> >>> All I was asking, is what is meaningful to you.  Do I really need to
> define terms for me to ask that?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:58 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Mark,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:04 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Marsha,
> >>>>> My "presupposing" is that we create meaning.  You do not have to
> agree with
> >>>>> this.  The search for meaning is meaningless so far as I am
> concerned.  It
> >>>>> is not like "meaning" is hiding under a rock or anything.  Does this
> make
> >>>>> sense?
> >>>>
> >>>> You asked where I "find" meaning?  What do you mean by 'meaning'?
>  What type of 'meaning' do you expect me to find?  The MoQ is about
> Value(Dynamic/static); why should I expect to find 'meaning'?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> MoQ is about a presentation of Quality in metaphysical terms.
> >>>>
> >>>> Than what is 'meaning'?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> As such, it only has the meaning we create in it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is 'meaning' more real than Quality?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I am not sure what your purpose is, but I would like to think it to
> >>>>> be divine.
> >>>>
> >>>> You think my purpose might be to be divine as opposed to being
> mundane?  Or you think my purpose might be to be divine as opposed to being
> all that is non-divine?  I suppose you want the truth?  -  I am interested
> in static (patterned) quality?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Without your purpose, none of all this would be like it is.
>  Everything plays a part.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why shouldn't I think that "purpose" isn't one more pattern which
> values its own purpose?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you like my questions?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Marsha
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mark,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Isn't there some presupposing going on here?  What do you mean by
> >>>>>> 'meaning'?  What type of meaning do you expect me to be searching
> for?
> >>>>>> The MoQ is about Quality(Dynamic/static); why should I search for
> >>>>>> 'meaning'?  What next?  A Divine purpose?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Life is thus; I prefer to recognize Quality.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Marsha
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 12:30 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Marsha,
> >>>>>>> Yes, but that was just an analogy.  Where do you find the meaning?
> >>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:33 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mark,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The last time that I checked, meaningless was not included in the
> >>>>>>>> definition of analogy.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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