[MD] perceptions

[MarshaV]

Interdependent.  


On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:49 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You will find the depth of the ocean under the waves and surface, but they
> are symbiotic.
> 
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> 2013/4/6 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> 
>> Hi Adrie,
>> 
>> Statically or conventionally "real."  I can buy that!  But if I were only
>> here to know about static or conventionally "real" things, I should be
>> satisfied reading the dictionary and encyclopedia.  It would all be there
>> as deep as the ink on the page.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:51 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It also translates nice as reality is alway partly illusive and all
>>> illusions are partly real
>>> hello Marsha
>>> Adrie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2013/4/6 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Joe,
>>>> 
>>>> Hmmmm.  Directly perceiving Dynamic Quality, seems to me, makes all
>>>> "things" and even patterns false: illusions and phantoms (ghosts).  That
>>>> does not translate into meaningless. Patterns exist as value.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha,
>>>>     with echo in head "Marsha, you think too much!"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:21 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, unknowable in the sense that there is a known and knower, so not
>>>> "conceptually knowable." How about known through direct perception?  I
>> have
>>>> stated that DQ can be directly experienced and known like one knows the
>> tea
>>>> is hot when one is drinking it.  Can this be true?  Problem is that I
>> can
>>>> directly perceive, in such a manner, that there is a coiled snake ahead
>> of
>>>> me in the road, only to find out later that such certainty was unfounded
>>>> and what I experienced was merely a coiled rope.  On discovering that
>> what
>>>> I was seeing was, indeed, a coiled rope, what I do know with certainty
>> was
>>>> that it was NOT a coiled snake.  This is why I accept the idea that the
>>>> best way to discover Truth is by discovering what is false.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But having written the above, I will leave the issue open for further
>>>> investigation.  Perhaps Steve Hagen's book will offer some insight on
>> the
>>>> subject of perceptions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi MarshaV and All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have no sense of what you mean by "unknowable" DQ?  Unknowable is
>> not
>>>> the
>>>>>> same as indefinable in DQ (indefinable) SQ (definable) metaphysics.
>>>>>> "Unknowable" means a barrier to the contact of the faculty for
>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>> Indefinable accepts a direct contact in consciousness without
>> language.
>>>>>> "What was that?"  DQ!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/2/13 5:31 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> DQ is "indivisible, undefinable & unknowable"; the term 'indivisible'
>>>> pointing
>>>>>>> to monism, non-dualistic: indeterminate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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