[MD] DQ/sq as WATER/ice

[david buchanan]

David M said to dmb:
..., so is this a form of anthropocentrism that your description of the MOQ is proposing? I think that's a bad move,... I would rather see the MOQ as giving us DQ and SQ that has more than human import and more than human origin. ... Now if you limit the MOQ to human experience then you are not going to get or see this. OK that may be what you want to do, but looks to me like this is a conceptual and limiting trap, I suggest the MOQ needs to break out of the cave. Are you happy to be in this trap?


dmb says:
Well, yes, this is a form of anthropocentrism, I suppose, but I don't think it's a cave or a trap. I think it's an acknowledgement of the limits of what we can know. It's a kind of epistemic humility wherein we can only make claims about things knowable from experience. 


"Man is not the source of all things, as the subjective idealists would say. Nor is he the passive observer of all things, as the objective idealists and materialists would say. The Quality which creates the world emerges as a relationship between man and his experience. He is a participant in the creation of all things. The measure of all things..." - Robert Pirsig

You just keep misunderstanding the MOQ in various ways while pretending to be improving it. Sorry, David, but it's pretty clear to me that you're not really talking about the MOQ.