[MD] Concepts & Reality

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

maybe the term reification on itself  an the use is (som)times to radical
 in losing its own nuances and detailling.reification as abstraction
in disguise is nothing more than reverse-engineering some wrong a-proiri's
to straighten them out.
Adrie
greetzz.


2013/4/19 X <xacto at rocketmail.com>

> Adding that Bob and Jimmy are talkin bout the distinction
> while Freds talkin reification.
>
>
> X <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Interesting post Craig,
> >Where Bob states simply that the discrepancy has value, Fred seems to cast
> >a rather dour atmosphere in regards to the rendering of one from the many
> and
> >doesent really seem to value the disecrepancy as much as reacting to the
> monistic
> >dominance of values of his day.  I see Bob employing the descrepancy in a
> useful
> >manner while Freds more of a deconstructionist.
> >
> >-Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >Craig Erb <craig_erb at ymail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>"There must always be a discrepancy between concepts [static quality]
> and reality [Dynamic Quality] -- Robert Pirsig
> >>
> >>"Every word instantly becomes a concept precisely insofar as it is not
> supposed to serve as a reminder of the unique and entirely individual
> original experience to which it owes its origin; but rather, a word becomes
> a concept insofar as it simultaneously has to fit countless more or less
> similar cases—which means, purely and simply, cases which are never equal
> and thus altogether unequal. Every concept arises from the equation of
> unequal things. Just as it is certain that one leaf is never totally the
> same as another, so it is certain that the concept "leaf" is formed by
> arbitrarily discarding these individual differences and by forgetting the
> distinguishing aspects. This awakens the idea that, in addition to the
> leaves, there exists in nature the "leaf": the original model according to
> which all the leaves were perhaps woven, sketched, measured, colored,
> curled, and painted—but by incompetent hands, so that no specimen has
> turned out to be a
> >> correct, trustworthy, and faithful likeness of the original model."
> >> — Friedrich Nietzsche
> >>
> >>Compare and discuss ----Craig
> >>dmb
> >>
> >>I contrast.
> >>Pirsig is comparing the pre-conceptual with the post-conceptual.
> >>Nietzsche is comparing the concept with one of its instantiations (both
> post-conceptual).
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