[MD] Transcript of AHP Lecture Four

[Dan Glover]

Thanks, Andre and Anthony!

I have one question. This section here:

Chip: But prior to that, and the large majority of people that come in
for therapy aren't being destructive to society. They're part of it.
And they are coming in because they are in conflict themselves. So I
think that the morality of the MOQ is not to impose something on them,
but to facilitate their resolution of the conflict within themselves
about that. And I think, in response to you, I think there are a
number of ways, actually, that people can break out of a static
pattern or discover one which is to create a contrasting or
paradoxical experience. And you would then have the contrast. Just
like the exercise. There is a contrast.

I found another one too is humour. Because, when you think about what
humour … is like. I'm thinking of three levels of humour. The first
kind of humour that you learn as a kid. I remember riddles, like:
"What's black and white and re(a)d all over?" "A newspaper ha, ha,
ha!" And then later it gets a little more sophisticated. The whole
idea of humour is that you're… colliding two static patterns. One
static pattern says: this is the way we're thinking, therefore this is
the meaning ascribed to words, ideas, concepts all within this
context. "What's black, and white and red all over" we're thinking
colours. So you're in one particular static pattern. Then the answer
which is basically the punch line of the joke is, "a newspaper". What
happens is you've completely collided a whole frame of reference
because "red" is now a verb ("read") and not a colour. You've collided
one context with another and so, what happens is that the moment of
collision creates a Dynamic state. So we laugh. I think it's a release
of tension.

Chip: Yes, I think it's like the moment when you're caught in a static
pattern, the moment of Dynamic experience is ecstatic (7) on some
level. So you get a chuckle instead of an orgasm, but it's… the same
thing, it's a Dynamic moment. You get a little more sophisticated even
with puns. I know a guy who was in college years ago and he told me
about this. They were in a trailer, they rent a trailer when you're in
college and that and they were always, this was back in the sixties,
they were always around and had been smoking dope for a while and one
guy was just a punster. I mean he was just driving everybody crazy
because there'd be one pun after another pun, after another pun and so
they'd all had just decided we've had enough. So the group said, okay,
wait a minute, no more puns, we're going to put you in this closet,
close the door and you cannot come out until you come up with an
original pun. So they reversed it on him. They'd say, now you have to
come up with a pun or else you'll stay locked in there. So they put
him in there and because they had been smoking for a while they sort
of forgot he was there and continued the party. And about thirty
minutes later they hear from the closet: "O-pun the door!"

It was just like… even then he'd changed the context.

Dan comments:

I cannot be sure, but the second 'Chip' sure sounds like Robert
Pirsig. Is this an oversight?

Just wondering. Anyway, great stuff, and thanks again!

Dan

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am very pleased to announce the fourth (and
> final) part of the transcript that Andre Broersen kindly sent me of the 1993 AHP lectures has now been checked (and corrected where necessary) in
>                 conjunction with the original recordings.   There are quite a few ideas and examples in the AHP tapes which Pirsig doesn't use elsewhere so it's an important document.  Anyway, it can be found at robertpirsig.org at:
>
>  http://robertpirsig.org/AHP%20Transcript%204.htm
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ant
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