[MD] Definitions.

[Horse]

Hi Joe

The Octave (in most western music) and the colour spectrum (along with 
other things such as genes) are an approximation.
The intervals in the octave division are also an approximation and not 
an exact subdivision - the brain is quite capable of evening out the 
differences so everything sounds correct.
All templates for reality are approximations which is why I like Pirsigs 
work (just as it is and without some megalomaniac assuming he has a 
better handle on it) as it is a better approximation than previous 
approximations.

Cheers

Horse



On 23/02/2013 19:03, Joseph Maurer wrote:
> Hi Horse and All,
>
> As a amateur singer (Church choir) I wonder why the octave of sound or the
> color spectrum has not become a template for reality.  Sound seems to be
> reality, and there is a structure called the octave with differing intervals
> which seems to give some order.  Hell, even the intervals are not all equal.
>
> Metaphysical music and color are exciting!
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 2/23/13 10:40 AM, "Horse" <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Marsha
> I've got to say that I agree with DMB about the contradiction of
>> terms
> within your definition of self.
> If something is static or stable how
>> can it be ever-changing?
> If something is static or stable it tends not to
>> change over time or if
> it does change it changes slowly, thus retaining it's
>> stability.
> If something is ever-changing then it tends to be unstable and/or
>> chaotic.
> Patterns of value that are stable persist over time which would
>> appear
> to be the antithesis of your definition.
>
> If you insist that static
>> patterns of value are ever changing - i.e.
> stable patterns are unstable -
>> would you mind showing how you manage to
> overcome what appears to be an
>> inconsistency in your definition.
> I think I see what you're getting at but
>> this part of your definition
> just doesn't appear to make sense and repeating
>> it over and over offers
> no explanation.
>
> Cheers
>
> Horse
>
>
>
> On 23/02/2013
>> 09:18, MarshaV wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Re: self & static patterns of
>> value
>>
>>
>>
>> One definition I provide is concerning 'self'.  If one asks:
>> What is the relationship between the individual and static quality?  I'd
>> answer: "The ³self² is a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and
>> impermanent static patterns: inorganic patterns, biological patterns, social
>> patterns and intellectual patterns of value flowing in the infinite field of
>> Dynamic Quality."
>>
>> My definition of static patterns of value is of
>> repetitious and ever-changing process:
>>    
>> Static patterns of value are
>> repetitive processes, conditionally co-dependent, impermanent and
>> ever-changing, that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable,
>> predictable pattern.  Within the MoQ, these patterns are morally categorized
>> into a four-level, evolutionary, hierarchical structure:  inorganic,
>> biological, social and intellectual. Static quality exists in stable patterns
>> relative to other patterns:  patterns depend upon ( exist relative to)
>> innumerable causes and conditions (patterns), depend upon (exist relative to)
>> parts and the collection of parts (patterns), depend upon (exist relative to)
>> conceptual designation (patterns). Patterns have no independent, inherent
>> existence.  Further, these patterns pragmatically exist relative to an
>> individual's static pattern of life history.
>>
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