[MD] the indeterminate is the fundamental nature of the conditioned...
MarshaV
valkyr at att.net
Thu Jan 17 00:23:23 PST 2013
"Moreover, Nagarjuna (1966, p.251) shares Pirsig’s perception that the indeterminate (or Dynamic) is the fundamental nature of the conditioned (or static):
In their ultimate nature things are devoid of conditionedness and
contingency belongs to this level. This very truth is revealed by
also saying that all things ultimately enter the indeterminate dharma
or that within the heart of every conditioned entity (as its core, as its
true essence, as its very real nature) there is the indeterminate dharma.
While the one expresses the transcendence of the ultimate reality, the
other speaks of its immanence. The one says that the ultimate reality
is not an entity apart and wholly removed from the determinate, but is
the real nature of the determinate itself.
"Nagarjuna and Pirsig also have a similar recognition of two types of truth; the ‘static’ conventional truth (sammuti-sacca) and the ‘Dynamic’ ultimate truth (paramattha- sacca)."
(MoQ Textbook)
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"This is supported by Herbert Guenther 204 (1957, p.144) who adds:
Experience is the central theme of Buddhism, not theoretical postulation and
deductive verification. Since no experience occurs more than once and all
repeated experiences actually are only analogous occurrences, it follows that
a thing or material substance can only be said to be a series of events interpreted
as a thing, having no more substantiality than any other series of events we may
arbitrarily single out.
"After some thought, I think Guenther’s comment is valid as I can’t think of any events that are repeated exactly. Moreover, like the concept of ‘self’, there’s no absolute objective rule to judge when one event starts and another stops. This means that any concept or term is fundamentally indeterminate, imprecise and, as time passes, increasingly less useful."
(MoQ Textbook)
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Marsha:
Btw, Anthony's 'MoQ Textbook' contains a wealth of comparisons with Buddhism. It's definitely a resource worth reading.
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