[MD] Metaphysics: what it is good for?

[MarshaV]

Ron,

Hmmmm.  When conceptional function is dropped, and then perceptional function is dropped, what is left over?  Experience?  I say 'yes' to _experienced awareness_, but because it is not patterned perceptionally or conceptually it is not re-cognizable, and is therefore removed from description and definition.  Seems to me perception is what is often being labeled 'immediate' but that is not the indeterminate (DQ).   


Marsha



On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:08 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

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>> In the thread titled "Is experience just DQ?" (on 1/13/13) David Harding wrote:
>> The MOQ is obviously a Metaphysics.  What is Metaphysics for? To me, it is an intellectual construct which, depending on its quality, can help us to live better lives.  It does this by providing a context for *every* thing.  With a good metaphysics like the MOQ we can compare any two things and use it to help us determine which is better.  Making quality decisions like this help us to become better people.
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>> dmb says:
>> How does the narrator of ZAMM put it? Metaphysics is fine if it improves everyday life, otherwise forget it.
>> Yes, the Metaphysics of Quality is an intellectual construct (sq), a coherent set of concepts and definitions. And yet the MOQ is built around immediate experience itself (DQ), which is pre-conceptual and undefinable. Even further, this primary empirical reality (DQ) is given priority over the conceptual (sq).
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> Dan:
> Exactly. This relates directly to the core of our (David H. and my)
> disagreement. How is Dynamic Quality given priority over our
> conceptual world? By seeing Dynamic Quality and experience as
> synonymous. We use qualifiers like 'primary' and 'empirical' to modify
> the term 'experience' but once this primacy of experience is
> understood (in relation to the MOQ) it is no longer necessary do so.
> Dynamic Quality is experience. All that which comes after is static
> quality. 
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> Ron:
> The source of the disagreement is that while Dave B. and Dave H. are placing emphasis
> on the qualifier "immediate" in relation to the term experience as a clarification of just what
> is meant by the term Dynamic, Dan is using the term "experience" in a more broad general way
> as to imply the exclusion of the term "static" in association with "experience".
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> And that is quite a difference.
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