[MD] Is experience just DQ?

craigerb at comcast.net craigerb at comcast.net
Fri Jan 18 17:31:21 PST 2013


Dan:
> There is nothing wrong with saying the city of Los Angeles experiences
> an earthquake. We use the term experience in various ways. But when it
> comes to the MOQ we should strive to be as precise as possible.

Craig [previously]:
> So are you saying that when the city of Los Angeles experiences
> an earthquake, it doesn't do so in the precise MoQ sense?

Dan:
> The term 'but' acts to negate the previous sentence.

So you're denying that previous sentence--you're denying that "We use the term 'experience' in various ways".

Dan:
> The city of Los Angeles isn't a sentient being and so cannot respond to Dynamic Quality as per the MOQ.

Do you have any support for the view that anything other than "a sentient being...cannot respond
to Dynamic Quality as per the MOQ"?

Dan:
> (static quality) is a memory of experience, not experience itself.

So let's take the moon as an example of static quality.  You're saying the moon is a memory of experience
in a sentient being and Apollo 11 landed on a memory.  So the moon couldn't exist before sentient beings.
This will astonish scientists, but give comfort to creationists who agree with you that the earth is only 
6,000 years old. 

Dan:
> [Pirsig] said the central reality of Ayn Rand's
> philosophy is the individual. 
"Just as man cannot survive by any random means, but must discover and
practice the principles which his survival requires, so man’s
self-interest cannot be determined by blind desires or random whims,
but must be discovered and achieved by the guidance of rational
principles. This is why the Objectivist ethics is a morality of
rational self-interest—or of rational selfishness."
[The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand]

That's a nice quote, relevant to Rand's view of morality, but not to her 
view of what is central to reality.

Craig [previously]:
> is your point that there are blue objects in the world and everyone in the same culture sees
> these blue objects as the same?

Dan:
> No, that isn't my point.

But you do believe it.
Craig




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