[MD] Where does DQ end and SQ begin and SQ end and DQ begin? It's all bananas isn't it?

[Jan-Anders Andersson]

Yes, and it becomes very descriptive when we look at circular vawes in water spreading from an event like a raindrops on a pond. The growing rings describes well the static roundness of the circle AND the change of its size and height in time, as a result from the direct conditions. What does that tell us?

Using bananas in the same way is a little bit more tricky I think, but they all get brown in the end.

Jan Anders

1 mar 2013 kl. 14:14 skrev ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu>:

> [DMB]
> The pattern "banana" doesn't cause the experience, the experience causes the banana. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Absolutely, and well said. This is about as *critical* a point about Pirsig's ideas as one could make.
> 
> "This means Quality is not just the result of a collision between subject and object. The very existence of subject and object themselves is deduced from the Quality event. The Quality event is the cause of the subjects and objects, which are then mistakenly presumed to be the cause of the Quality!" (ZMM)
> 
> "The past exists only in our memories, the future only in our plans. The present is our only reality. The tree that you are aware of intellectually, because of that small time lag, is always in the past and therefore is always unreal. Any intellectually conceived object is always in the past and therefore unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision before the intellectualization takes place. There is no other reality. This preintellectual reality is what Phædrus felt he had properly identified as Quality. Since all intellectually identifiable things must emerge from this preintellectual reality, Quality is the parent, the source of all subjects and objects." (ZMM)
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