[MD] Where does DQ end and SQ begin and SQ end and DQ begin? It's all bananas isn't it?

[David Thomas]

On 3/1/13 8:00 AM, "Jan-Anders Andersson" <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

>> [DMB]
> The pattern "banana" doesn't cause the experience, the experience
>> causes the banana. 


> > [Arlo]
> Absolutely, and well said. This is about as
>> *critical* a point about Pirsig's ideas as one could make.
> 
> "This means
>> Quality is not just the result of a collision between subject and object. The
>> very existence of subject and object themselves is deduced from the Quality
>> event. The Quality event is the cause of the subjects and objects, which are
>> then mistakenly presumed to be the cause of the Quality!" (ZMM)
> 
> "The
>> past exists only in our memories, the future only in our plans. The present
>> is our only reality. The tree that you are aware of intellectually, because
>> of that small time lag, is always in the past and therefore is always unreal.
>> Any intellectually conceived object is always in the past and therefore
>> unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision before the intellectualization
>> takes place. There is no other reality. This preintellectual reality is what
>> Phædrus felt he had properly identified as Quality. Since all intellectually
>> identifiable things must emerge from this preintellectual reality, Quality is
>> the parent, the source of all subjects and objects." (ZMM)

Overheard in Helen Keller's dining room:

"How are we going to feed her before she learns the word for mouth?"