[MD] Definitions.

[Jan Anders Andersson]

Hi Ham

2 mar 2013 kl. 19:26 skrev "Hamilton Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net>:

> Hello there, JAN --
> 
> On Thurs., 2/28/13 7:58 AM, "Jan Anders Andersson" <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi again Ham
>> 
>> My static name pattern is Jan Anders, Not Ian (Glendinning?)
> 
> My apologies, Jan.  I misread the 'J' for an 'I'.  Guess I'm overdue for new new pair of glasses. (;-]

Apology accepted.
> 
> Jan, responding to my 2/27 message:
>> I see MOQ as an intellectual tool for "maintaining processes". Where one crucial element of maintaining a process > is feedback - experience. Getting feedback is an activity of defining values. Without feedback a value-sensible
>> agent will not be able to make the right choice that leads to a change. A change into betterness will be
>> unreachable without the experience from the actual process status. (Watch your step!) But knowing the actual
>> state is not enough, you must have an experience from what it might be, also together with experience from
>> earlier processes.
>> 
>> In my book MALC I presented a whole arsenal of different feedback-values, at all levels, so the reader could have
>> something to identify his own life-process to. Plus a little hint of what is the ultimate base for excellence. Marsha > read it twice and she told me she laughed several times while reading it. I like that.
>> 
>> The Source in us is still indefinable, just because we aren't finished yet and we are still free to change.
>> "Change will not come if we wait for some other person other time. We are the one's we've been waiting for.
>> We are the change that we see."  Barack Obama
>> 
>> Change is not material, it's essential.
> 
> If you are speaking as a 'logical positivist', I can well appreciate the need for "feedback" in maintaining any process.  After all, it is a cause-and-effect world that we experience -- a self-constructed reality based on changing sensory inputs.  However, apart from practical concerns, I don't see heaping one process change upon another as a guide to "excellence" in a moral or philosophical sense.  If that was Pirsig's aim in publishing two books on the Metaphysics of Quality, I would be sadly disappointed.
> 
> Yes, we are "free to change".  But change is itself is intrinsic to Nature. And while intuiting "what it might be" may lead to an improved result, it would appear that your objective here is simply to manipulate objects in an experiential environment rather than enhance our understanding of Ultimate Reality and the purpose of our journey through it.  Self-improvement, it seems to me, is the "essential" goal.  And this can only be achieved via the study of philosophy, and metaphysics in particular.
> 
> I'm also sorry that you chose Obama's campaign quote to illustrate your point.  Doesn't it strike you as the height of arrogance for the elected president of a free republic to claim to his constituency that "WE are the ones WE've been waiting for"?

I don't put the weight upon just these words in that quote, but as I said earlier, a text is like a mirror and you'll only see what you're reading in it. My focus was aimed at the word "change", not the undefinable self behind "we" or them, or us.

> 
> But thanks for the clarification of your book on feedback values.  I shall have to add MALC to my collection.  Where can I purchase it?
> 
Get it free from iTunes if you are the happy owner of an iPador iPhone, nice colored version incl. 18 audio tracks.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/book/money-art-losing-control/id519611956?mt=11

Amazon/Kindle, for Kindle ebook reader; colored, but no audio. The paperback version have a Few Shades of Grey...
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%22money+and+the+art+of+losing+control%22

Barnes & Noble: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/money-and-the-art-of-losing-control-jan-anders-andersson/1112394981


> Yours respectfully,
> -- Ham
> 

Best wishes
Jan Anders

> 
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