[MD] Horse, Is this proper conduct?

[Horse]

Krimel

To me it looks like you've been trying to provoke a fight for the last 
couple of days and to be honest I've got better things to spend my time on.
Here's a couple of examples:

Krimel to Arlo
All I am saying is that Quality=Tao, DQ=Yang, SQ=Yin and I have 
explained why in excruciating detail. While perhaps not "blindingly" so; 
I do think, at minimum, it is pretty fucking obvious.

Krimel to Jan Anders
Not that is it any of your fucking business what I am doing here, but I 
am here mainly to combat writer's block. This should be obvious from my 
endless spewings over the last few days. But while I am at it, I suppose 
I'm trying to correct some of the more stupid things some of you people 
have been saying while I was gone.

And you seem to be getting pretty het up about Dave's comments - 
definitely getting a 'threatening' comment in first:
Krimel to DMB
This is immature frustrated schoolyard bully bullshit. Much as I think 
it reflects the shallowness of what follows, I advise you to watch your 
mouth.

So I'd say that you probably need to look at your own behaviour before 
complaining about others.

Horse

> Horse,
> As further evidence of the need for your intervention I call your attention
> to the post below. As I suggested before I would actually enjoy addressing
> dmb's posts in a manner befitting their content. Arguments like: "Krimel's
> nonsense, lame excuses and bogus evasions, it's nonsense, nothing but
> distraction, diversion, smoke screens and snark," deserve a different sort
> of response than reason allows.
>
> I trust you to give this matter serious attention but I think I deserve an
> apology from dmb and he deserves a stern warning from you.
>
> As I have said I will defer to your judgment and be very happy either way.
> Krimel
>
>
>
> Arlo said to Krimel:
> Yikes. You're using the terminology, but you're completely in a different
> ballpark than Pirsig. Maybe that's where you want to be, maybe that works
> for you, and all power to you. But when you say things like this I think
> there is really no common ground between what Pirsig is saying and what you
> are saying; same words but completely different discourse.
>
> dmb says:
> Exactly. If the various participants insist on using their own private
> definitions of the MOQ's key terms, then moq-discuss will continue to be a
> tower of babel. And Krimel's nonsense only serves to add more noise and
> confusion.
>
>
> Krimel replied to Arlo:
> I find it impossible to believe that Pirsig endorses the new MoQ
> terminological shift you endorse. It utterly undoes everything he says.
>
>
> dmb says:
> Arlo not only understands the key terms and uses them properly, he provided
> you with a clear explanation and the textual evidence to support his
> explanation. The only thing that this "utterly undoes" is your misconception
> and misunderstanding of the key terms. It utterly undoes your misreadings of
> the MOQ. How many times have you dismissed, disregarded or deleted this
> evidence so far? Have you faced up to it even once? No, so far you've only
> produced lame excuses and bogus evasions.
>
> Krimel said:
> In fact I take his silence on this point as clear evidence that he either
> does not read this forum or does not give a shit.
>
> dmb says:
> Back in 2005, he told me that he reads it every morning. I haven't asked him
> about that lately but I'd guess he still does. He also said that he has to
> actively resist the urge to chime in. If he did, he's afraid, his authority
> would squelch the conversation. So he remains silent. I think Ant stays
> pretty quiet for the same reason.
>    
> Krimel said:
> Claiming that Pirsig endorses this shift is in effect saying that since he
> had done nothing for the Tao in his first book, he wrote a second for the
> sole purpose of killing it dead.
>
> dmb says:
> Kills it dead? What does that mean and how did you come to that conclusion?
> I can't make any sense of that, probably because it's nonsense.
>
>
> Arlo said:
> This seems to be a point of fundamental disagreement you have with Pirsig,
> maybe that's your point, and that's fine.
>
>
> Krimel replied:
> I quite agree there is a radical departure from Pirsig at stake here but you
> are confused if you think I am the one to have made it.
>
>
> dmb says:
> It seems clear to me that you'd have to ignore, delete and dismiss the
> textual evidence in order to maintain that view. I guess that's why you have
> to keep evading the evidence from Pirsig's books. If you took an honest look
> at the arguments and the evidence your position would immediately collapse
> like a cheap card table. - Apologies to all the cheap card tables of the
> world.
>
> If you were playing fairly and honestly, you'd engage with the substance of
> the matter, the arguments, the criticisms, and the evidence above all. I
> just not seeing any of that from you. Quite the opposite.
>
> I don't know how many times this has to been placed before your eyes
> already, but apparently you are not seeing it.
>
> Here is some solid evidence from our primary sources for the terminological
> shift that you find so impossible to believe. Do you have any legitimate
> reason for rejecting the clear and obvious parallels in conception on
> display here? Nope, your replies have been nothing but distraction,
> diversion, smoke screens and snark.
> Pirsig said: "The quality that can be defined is not the Absolute Quality."
>
> Pirsig said: "Quality is a direct experience independent of and prior to
> intellectual abstractions."
>
> Pirsig said: "Dynamic Quality, the source of all things, the
> pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, always appears as 'spur of the
> moment'."
>
> Pirsig said: "This preintellectual reality is what Phædrus felt he had
> properly identified as Quality."
>
> And there are about a hundred more pieces of evidence that'll support this
> use of terms. Compare that to the pieces of evidence you've provided for you
> position. I believe that number is zero.
>
>
>
>
>
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