[MD] German roadside maintenance quality

[MarshaV]

Hi J-A,

Like I said, I am happy for you.  But some things work for an individual, and others do not.  For example, rather than participate in meditation and/or mindfulness (introspective investigation), you indicated you prefer to play your accordion. Fine.  I prefer to keep things simple and I'm perfectly content with static (patterned) value. At the moment I do not need the additional explanation concerning form, amount and interaction.  


Marsha







On Mar 20, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:

> Sure, I'd like to know what's not related to either amount, form or interaction. Any idea?
> 
> J.A
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> 20 mar 2013 kl. 10.54 MarshaV wrote:
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>> J-A,
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>> I take it that people come to this list because there is value in being here and exploring RMP's ideas. 
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>> As I mentioned to you offlist, I am happy that you have found a point-of-view and language in which to interpret Mr. Pirsig's words from ZAMM, LILA, and elsewhere, that work for you.  (Your book was fascinating.)  Your interpretation (and language: amount, form and interaction), though, is not an absolute interpretation, but one amongst many as we each filter RMP's ideas and words through our own history and experience and interests.  
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>> 
>> Marsha
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>> On Mar 20, 2013, at 4:28 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
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>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> What can be said?
>>> 
>>> I think this is what Lila (and ZAMM) is about. Also, I wrote a book called "Money and the Art of Losing Control", which you have read twice, at least. In that book there are numerous of hints to how to understand Dynamic Quality.
>>> Excellence is an act of balance, therefore DQ is impossible to define in any other way than trying to stay on the line as long as possible.
>>> It is an act of balance in three aspects of DQ; Amount, Form and Interaction. Yes, these are Static patterns but they stem from different aspects OF Dynamic Quality.
>>> 1. Dynamic Quality IS, as we can prove its Impact upon Static Quality. DQ is just enough, too, or SQ will expand or diminish.
>>> 2. DQ has Form as it causes Differences, different Values, different static patterns, both this and that as it is impossible to define completely....
>>> 3. DQ Interacts with SQ or there would be no experience at all.
>>> 
>>> DQ creates (and destroys) static patterns at the inorganic level.
>>> DQ creates (and destroys) static patterns at the organic level.
>>> DQ creates (and destroys) static patterns at the social level.
>>> DQ creates (and destroys) static patterns at the intellectual level.
>>> 
>>> Rock stars and political ideas come and go. Polticians who doesn't know the difference between organic and social values tend to choose the wrong tool to maintain their society. Motorcycle repair men who doesn't know the difference between material and social qualities appear quite odd to the customer.
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>>> Contributors to this forum (MD) with a lack of humbleness tend to be seriously beaten literally, but words doesn't hurt, or?
>>> 
>>> I think pottery is fine quality excercise. It's heavy but not too heavy, it's plastic and hard, and it can be used. 1,2, 3.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> JanAnders
>>> 
>>> 20 mar 2013 kl. 08.44 MarshaV wrote:
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>>>> Hi J-A,
>>>> 
>>>> I am not saying anything about that which is "indivisible, undefinable & unknowable".  I, personally, wouldn't label it 'experience' either; though it is present in every experience.  I understand Dynamic Quality to represent the non-dualistic. And what can be said of the non-dualistic?  What can be said of what is beyond the recognition of the five senses and mind?  Not this, not that...  
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>>>> 
>>>> Marsha 
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>>>> On Mar 20, 2013, at 3:14 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Hi Marsha, 
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>>>>> Do you mean with that last sentence that Dynamic Quality is also beyond morals?
>>>>> 
>>>>> J_A
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>>>>> 17 mar 2013 kl. 10.40 skrev MarshaV:
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>>>>>> J-A,
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>>>>>> As I see it, if you are asking if the static (patterned) value projected onto Dynamic Quality is low or high, I would say that it is so relative to the context grounding the event.  In one context the static value may be judged (by a human being) as high, in another context the static value may be judged as low.  Either way, the Dynamic Quality remains indivisible, undefinable & unknowable and beyond judgements.   
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
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