[MD] Putting SOM back into the MOQ by excluding SQ, let's not do that say some of us

[Craig Erb]

[DavidM]
> patterns have to exist in experience before you then go on to conceptualise them... 
IMHO this is just saying the best explanation for our being able to have a

coherent conception of reality is that reality is patterned. 
[DMB]
> Patterns do NOT exist in experience before you conceptualize them.
> Patterns ARE conceptualizations and those concepts are derived from DQ,
> which is pre-conceputal or unpatterned experience
 
So iron filings do not align themselves into a pattern in the presence
of a magnet unless such pattern is a conceptualization.  How would we
ever know this?Craig