[MD] Fwd: Re: Static Patterns Rock!

[Horse]

Hi DM

SQ is a concept relating to patterns. It is a human metaphysical concept.
What we're talking about, w.r.t. Pirsig's MoQ, is static patterns of 
value and dynamic quality.
Animals, the vast majority anyway, are biological and inorganic 
patterns. Instinct is biological.
The vast majority of animals don't, as far as anyone can say with any 
certainty, have concepts.
They can recognise shapes (another fascinating facet of the eye - edge 
and shape detection) but do not have a concept of shape - because they 
have no concepts!
They use other biological values to navigate and get around in the world.
Some animals may have social values or patterns - certain types of 
hymenoptera and cetaceans come to mind, along with higher primates. Some 
of the higher primates (and possibly cetaceans ) may even have concepts 
but this can only be inferred and, so far as I'm aware, has not been 
conclusively proven.

What I don't get is why you are trying to impose an idea onto the MoQ 
that has been shown not to be part of the MoQ.
There are static patterns of value and dynamic quality - that's it. 
Nothing else.
DQ is unpatterned.
SQ is patterned.
There is no such thing, in Robert Pirsig's MoQ, as patterned DQ. It 
doesn't exist.
What you are suggesting is not Pirsig's MoQ.

Horse

On 12/10/2013 16:13, David Morey wrote:
> Maybe you can help explain it then,  do animals with instinctive behaviors identify their food and mates using SQ? Yes or no.
>
> Is this SQ conceptual? Yes or no.
>
> Either SQ can be pre-conceptual,  which I prefer,  but everything pre-conceptual is DQ for DMB,  or animals use concepts,  which is a very odd use of the word concept. If you can clear up this obvious muddle I will be most grateful.

-- 

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
— Frank Zappa