[MD] Sociability Re-examined

[Horse]

Hi John

I have no problem with calling religion a social pattern and, for some 
communities, these patterns are highly significant but they are not the 
totality of the social level.
What you appear to want to do, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is 
replace the social level with your 'religious' level, thus replacing all 
social patterns of value with religious patterns of value which is quite 
obviously incorrect. Religion and religious patterns are a part of the 
social level. If all religions and religious patterns disappeared in a 
puff of smoke tomorrow there would still be a social level.

Horse

On 23/08/2014 18:49, John Carl wrote:
> My line of thought was triggered by Jan-Anders inquiry into the "Step Two",
> Horse, and as such is not as ridiculous as you are putting forth.
> In the earliest human communities, and to the American Indian, Religion in
> the form of do's and don't, myth and meaning, was EVERYTHING and it guided
> every step of their lives.
> It takes no great leap then to call their social patterns, religious.
>
> We who live in a more enlightened age, associate religion with superstition
> and foolishness but I say that in our blanket denigration of earlier
> ancestors, we are ignoring the unproven assumptions by which we live and
> take on "faith".
>
> But I see that nobody wants to engage with this idea, so I'll shut up about
> it.
>
> John
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>
>> And religion is one part of the social level not it's entirety - or are
>> you as blind to that as Bo is blind to anything other than subjects and
>> objects being the whole of the intellectual level? At the moment you are
>> making as much sense as Bo - possibly less!
>>
>> Horse
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/08/2014 01:27, John Carl wrote:
>>
>>> Horse,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>   John
>>>> Whether you're serious or not is irrelevant. Saying the Social level is
>>>> the 'Religious Level' has as much credence as saying the Intellectual
>>>> level
>>>> is the 'Individual' level or consists entirely of Subjects and Objects!
>>>> Belief in sky pixies or gods or god with some sort of mysterious
>>>> creationist type mythology (which covers the majority of religions) is
>>>> pure
>>>> social level patterns.
>>>> It's basically hogwash with holes in it!
>>>>
>>>> Horse
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   I believe that's my exact point?  That "Belief in sky pixies or gods
>>> or god
>>> with some sort of mysterious creationist type mythology (which covers the
>>> majority of religions) is pure social level patterns"
>>>
>>> Pure social level indeed!
>>>
>>> John
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