[MD] Zen and theArt of Religion

[Ron Kulp]

> On Sep 3, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Ron Kulp <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 5:32 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Jc:
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>> "Rhetoric is an art, Aristotle began, because it can be reduced to a
>> rational system of order.
>> That just left Phædrus aghast. Stopped. He’d been prepared to decode
>> messages of great subtlety, systems of great complexity in order
>> to understand the deeper inner meaning of Aristotle, claimed by many to be
>> the greatest philosopher of all time. And then to get hit,
>> right off, straight in the face, with an asshole statement like that! It
>> really shook him."
>> 
>> And here we are, less than 50 years latter, Andre-Buchanan can utter the
>> same idea, dressed in an "MOQ" blanket, and nobody on this forum but I can
>> see the great error, the huge mistake that is.  A statement that violates
>> the very heart and spirit of the MoQ, That any sort of static pattern holds
>> the keys on "all there is to say". Also contradictory to the doctrine of
>> pragmatism and radical empiricism.   All is never said.  Conceptualization
>> is subordinate to experience
> 
> Ron:
> I think it is important to realize just what Aristotle meant by the term
> "Art". For Aristotle art was synonymous with intelligibility.
> Therefore rhetoric is an art because
> It renders the unintelligible, intelligible. Art is meaning.
> It took some time for Phaedrus
> To realize this for himself but by
> The end of the story he gets it and
> Through that journey we are also
> Expected to get it.
> 
Ron adds:
This connects up to religion and
Hopefully what you are attempting 
To aim at.
Religion is an art in much the same
Way as it renders meaning from
Experience but in this context the term " belief" wields greater power
In it's stead. 
When Willie J. Spoke of belief he connected it to the term "temperament ". Which has lead me
To think that in order to understand 
More about temperaments and how
It shapes belief we begin to tread
On the ground of psychology.

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