[MD] On Pirsig's letter to Paul Turner

[Adrie Kintziger]

But given your phrase ;first choice and more choises,would this not imply
by effect that the theme core here is really will and free will?
Or do i read it wrongly?

I took Dans remarks in concideration here
snip (Dan)
Do you really believe biological patterns have volition? I can't see
it. Biological patterns are constrained into a specific set of
parameters which disable them, the biological patterns, from going
outside those parameters. So really the volition or choice that
biological patterns 'have' isn't that so much as being had by the
quality that both surrounds them, the biological patterns, and
permeates them, simultaneously making it seem as if free will exists,
which of course it does, but only seem to. So in essence this tends to
render your argument null and void if one follows said reasoning above
to its logical conclusion.

Adrie

2016-07-15 15:43 GMT+02:00 Tuukka Virtaperko <mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net>:

> Dan, all,
>
> Whoops, I wrote:
>
> The reason why I said inorganic patterns have value only as extensions of
>> biological patterns is that this way the inorganic level has some value,
>> but it also has necessarily less value than the biological level.
>>
>
> What I meant is that the inorganic level necessarily doesn't have more
> value than the biological level.
>
> Suppose we start the model so that there is zero quality within the model.
> Then a biological pattern makes the first choice using some inorganic
> pattern as an instrument. In this situation the inorganic level and the
> biological level have an equal amount of value for as long as it takes for
> the biological pattern to carry out the choice. After the choice has been
> made the amount of inorganic value is back to zero but biological value
> remains.
>
> So, in this special situation, the inorganic level and the biological
> level would have an equal amount of value. But as more choices are being
> made the inorganic level would definitely end up having less value than the
> biological level. I don't think this is a problem, but I was, technically,
> wrong when I said that the inorganic level would necessarily have less
> value than the biological level, because that doesn't apply in the special
> situation I mentioned although it seems to apply otherwise.
>
> Approaching my quota of four messages per day...
>
>
> Regards,
> Tuk
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