[MD] The need for quality

Tue Aug 29 02:16:03 PDT 2017

Hi Dan,...all.

I took a sneak peak diagonal reading preview on Cloud Atlas yesterday,and i
have to agree with you that we will have much to discuss about it , if you
like.
It is too early for me to formulate a solid  judgement about the book,but
the bulk of what i read so far is of very high literary quality.
The letters from Zedelgem instances are absolute top level, and very
complex in their carefully constructed build-up.I have my doubts on the
sixth story as i did not found its concluding meanig yet,but i will dig in
further.
The fifth story is a non-event.Counting sheeps.Nothing else.

But the 'Zedelghem 'entity, as for locality,caracters and embedded
history;.....
wow! Stuff to study for quite some time.Learnig grounds for the writers of
tomorrow.

As i was thinking about your questions about purpose and goal, a book on
the shelf here is a biography about Harry Mulish named 'Zijn Eigen Land' or
translated, 'His Own Country' I have no knowledge of a translated form in
English, but it will probably exist as Mulish is one of the greatest
,nearly everything he wrote was translated or is in the proces.
The book is a chronicle of his notes that he left in his office when he
died.

There are several things in it that i like to offer along with the
discussing of
Cloud Atlas.btw Andrew, the phrase "Is this guy fired yet" would be a good
booktitle.Or a chapter.If i'm back from Turkey we will have a rewind of
that.

Adrie

2017-08-29 8:21 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:

> Hi Adrie,
>
> I don't think avoidance comes into play so far as purpose except in
> the contrary. What I mean is that when money and work become the
> purpose we are avoiding what is true and real and meaningful in life.
> There is nothing fanciful about purpose nor does a person have to be
> exceptionally intelligent to discover it.
>
> Yes. Framing. But isn't framing more a matter of cultural patterns
> constraining our lives into what others believe is important? For
> example, perhaps a girl comes of age dreaming of becoming an actor.
> But because her family sees that choice as fanciful they steer her,
> frame her, into becoming a good girl who does as others want. A girl
> who doesn't follow her heart. She spends her life unhappily married
> and when her children are born she repeats the process by instilling
> in them the same shallow thinking.
>
> Most would agree how a student doing exceptional work is deserving of
> a better grade than those doing less. In the same fashion, an employee
> doing exceptional work would be seen as deserving better pay than
> those doing less. In this fashion, people are indoctrinated into a
> culture of earning. Those who for perhaps reasons of their own go on
> to fail at the game are denounced as losers, those back of the class
> kids for who Robert Pirsig felt such affinity.
>
> I am sorry to hear of your health issues, Adrie. And I hope Cloud
> Atlas provides you with as much enjoyment as it did me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi , Dan,all..
> >
> > Money and work are mountains we all have to climb, there would be no
> decent
> > or valid point to make, when at the same time trying to avoid to climb
> and
> > willing to be at the summit in the same framing.
> > I like the word 'framing'.
> > It is never only the money or the work that is framing us in the job or
> in
> > our lives,the frame contains lots of components that are even so
> determinant
> > for our existence...,
> > Social patterns.Geografical patterns.Political patterns.'Mother the
> Wife'.
> > Distances.Oceans .
> > I need no fantasy or bright brain to know that i'll have commitments
> other
> > than work and money related.It makes a very big difference for me , now
> that
> > i'm retired.The frame itself becomes lesser important.But it is never
> > absent.
> >
> > Reviewing what you and Wes wrote, i can say that some possibilities
> > are very easyly overlooked.It comes along with the  the frame to do so.
> > The mechanisms are repeated. If one American buys tannerite to blow up
> > some rodents ,other fellow Americans will follow his example and blow up
> > some pigeons with tannerite.But of course this is a simplified example to
> > point to something.Do not buy tannerite.Do not blow up rodents,youtube is
> > full of it.......
> >
> > There are ways to step out of the frame that is yours and is framing you
> > where you are,without the need to leave it.Start writing. Keep on
> > writing,and start travelling the world around with some magic stroke's on
> > your keyboard
> > It does not have to be non-fiction.Fiction is allowed.
> > Allocate your soul at the helm of your computer and write about the
> events
> > you see,the toughts you have,...........The list is endless.
> >
> > Sorry for this short reading and write back to you Dan, but i was in the
> > Hospital this week for epidural injections in my neck and spinal cord.
> > Had to take it real easy.Still a very numb feeling in my arms and thumbs
> > and shoulders.Very numb and very annoying.
> > The Cloud Atlas book arrived today.I can start reading it, maybe i will
> > take it with me to Turkey next week,i have a 10 day's holliday.I go to
> > Bodrum.
> > Look around in Erdoganistan...(pun), That will give me some time to read.
> >
> > Welcome Andrew and Wes, btw.Feel free to interact anyway.
> > And no, English is not my language.I'm a Belgian.
> >
> > Adrie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-08-25 6:08 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Andrew, all,
> >>
> >> If money were no object, what would you do?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Chu <andrew.chu at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Maybe one way to spread quality is to imbue it in what we do?
> >> >
> >> > Spend our precious hours finding those things that we uniquely connect
> >> with and venture into that quality connection.
> >> >
> >> > Has anyone watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi?  That’s quality if I ever saw
> >> it.  It’s as if a low thunderous roar of quality was building over the
> last
> >> 70 years of his life and once it crested it left a lasting impression
> >> across the world.
> >> >
> >> > We need more of that.  It could be anything, sushi, soccer, singing,
> >> strawberry jam.  The paradox of our time is that we have so many ways to
> >> express our quality and so little quality to express.
> >> >
> >> > That needs to change.
> >> >
> >> > From: Dan Glover
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:19 PM
> >> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
> >> >
> >> > Hi Adrie,
> >> > Yes, new every day. I like that. Thanks, Adrie!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Can we still be surprised and feel awe when we discover a bird's
> nest in
> >> >> the
> >> >> shrubs or a frog in the polder?,we should be!,....many people loose
> this
> >> >> ability early in life.We can ask ourselves,...
> >> >> Did the emotional/intellectual adaptive filter close too early for
> >> them,and
> >> >> did the pattern dissolve itself to give way for other patterns to
> >> >> emerge?......,
> >> >>
> >> >> Sometimes a bit strange that i will take a philosopher stance to stop
> >> >> thinking about these things, and go back to expiriencing again, as if
> >> >> everything is anew every day.
> >> >>
> >> >> Adrie
> >>
> >>
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