[MD] The need for quality
wesstt at shaw.ca
Fri Aug 25 21:09:35 PDT 2017
Agreed if someone asked me about knowledge about how to within 2 minutes build a partial eclipse viewer with what you have in a car?
I would be their man. If someone asked what is it like to view an actual eclipse, Dan Glover is the only one to have actual experience
of that event in our group so respond to him.
From: "Dan Glover" <daneglover at gmail.com>
To: "moq discuss" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:53:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
Partial eclipses are interesting, yes. What I saw blew me away. I am
still in awe. I've been on about it ever since I got back telling
everyone how they've got to go see the next total eclipse. Which they
won't, of course. On account of having to work, probably. I think
that's pretty much a shame. Several people've hung their heads and
said: boy. I shoulda gone too. Yep. Sorta like my dear old da telling
me on his deathbed he could now see how he never had to work so much
like he did. Of the ballgames and picnics and vacations he missed. All
on account of working.
And this isn't about the eclipse but rather life in general. How we
tend to paint ourselves into corners and are for the most part content
to stay there. Working at jobs we cannot put our all into in order to
bring home the all-mighty paycheck. Marking time while another day
another week another month another year goes by and here we are.
You want to reduce heart disease and cancer? Get off your ass and do
something. No. Not about health care. About yourself. Hey. We're all
going to die. But that doesn't mean we need go passively. It's like
those people I saw driving down the road with their headlights on and
a total eclipse right over their heads. They're hiding, searching for
someone else to take responsibility. Waiting for someone to tell them
who they are. What to do. Why they're here. Looking to politicians.
Corporations. Doctors. But that crap's on us. As individuals.
So... tonight I saw the crescent moon in the west at twilight and I
said hey! Last time I saw you you were lounging over the face of the
sun! Those moments, we need to watch for them. Because they never come
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:53 PM, WES STEWART <wesstt at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hello Dan;
> Thanks for your input. I agree information and knowledge are not the same thing. People had the information on an eclipse but had no knowledge of it. I I was working and not in an area of totality but made a pinhole viewer, from two sheets of paper and saw the quarter moon shape. The latitude and longitude where I was at only 70% covered , but it was still interesting to see.
> The philosophers, Montaigne, Bacon and Locke agreed that any attempts to transmit information derived from other people was just a rumor, and does not constitute knowledge unless it has been tested by personal experience. What is the information or the current narrative? Good quality health care, however medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the US, behind heart disease and cancer. So what does it mean an organization states they have good quality health care when it is a systemic problem. We have the latest narrative or information about health care but no knowledge of that.
> We have the latest information or narrative from societies leaders, such as politicians and corporate upper management, but do we have knowledge of what is actually happening? Even though this static pattern of healthcare does have some quality in it, there has to be some dynamic quality, or change to reduce the death rate.
> From: "Dan Glover" <daneglover at gmail.com>
> To: "moq discuss" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:00:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
> Hi guys,
> Great discussion!
> Hey. Just an aside. Maybe. But maybe not. I just got back from viewing
> the eclipse. First time I ever've seen totality. Had to check what I
> was drinking for if someone'd slipped LSD into it or maybe diced up
> psilocybin mushrooms on that breakfast burrito I had earlier. Took off
> work and drove 400 miles for a totality lasting 2 minutes 40 seconds
> and I'd do it again tomorrow were there another. Mindblowing.
> Completely mindblowing.
> See, intellectually I knew exactly what an eclipse is. I knew what to
> expect. But to witness that mofo... that was an experience. People've
> asked me oh did it get dark and did you see stars and did the crickets
> start into chirping and yes to all but Jesus God there were people
> driving past me at the same moment the moon was blocking out the sun
> and their headlights were on and but they never even pulled over to
> look. And they were right there. Right there.
> One of the people I was with said hey it's because we're in Missouri.
> And he wasn't joking. More, though, leading up to the eclipse I kept
> getting nasty messages on Facebook saying: "am I the only one not
> going to the eclipse?" And people are agreeing. Oh yeah. Big waste of
> time, that. I'm not going. As if it is somehow okay to be jaded. No.
> Expected. How one of the wonders of the world is right there above our
> heads and we're too busy or too adultish or too know-it-all to take
> the time and watch and those of us who do revel in the experience are
> dullishly off-kilter, worthy of putdowns.
> I'm not much into politics. The wheel turns. Now is the time for
> stupid people to rule. That'll pass as it always does. If you accept
> the basic tenet of the MOQ, that quality and morality are identical,
> then you might also see how what's better is driving evolution on all
> four levels. And what's better doesn't necessarily mean intellect
> always rules. I read this article about how birds what live along
> roadways are evolving shorter wingspans. That doesn't presuppose as
> some would have it an intelligent being overseeing such happenings nor
> is it a matter of chance. Rather, birds with long wingspans are unable
> to fly away quickly enough and are killed by cars thus unable to
> propagate. Short wings are better.
> There are so many ah ha moments in life which we gloss over.
> Especially should things not fit with our preconceived notion of the
> world and our place in it. If the MOQ teaches us anything, it should
> be to wake up. To be there. To give our attention to what is right in
> front of us instead of forever planning for tomorrow.
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