[MD] The need for quality

Dan Glover daneglover at gmail.com
Mon Aug 28 23:21:35 PDT 2017

Hi Adrie,

I don't think avoidance comes into play so far as purpose except in
the contrary. What I mean is that when money and work become the
purpose we are avoiding what is true and real and meaningful in life.
There is nothing fanciful about purpose nor does a person have to be
exceptionally intelligent to discover it.

Yes. Framing. But isn't framing more a matter of cultural patterns
constraining our lives into what others believe is important? For
example, perhaps a girl comes of age dreaming of becoming an actor.
But because her family sees that choice as fanciful they steer her,
frame her, into becoming a good girl who does as others want. A girl
who doesn't follow her heart. She spends her life unhappily married
and when her children are born she repeats the process by instilling
in them the same shallow thinking.

Most would agree how a student doing exceptional work is deserving of
a better grade than those doing less. In the same fashion, an employee
doing exceptional work would be seen as deserving better pay than
those doing less. In this fashion, people are indoctrinated into a
culture of earning. Those who for perhaps reasons of their own go on
to fail at the game are denounced as losers, those back of the class
kids for who Robert Pirsig felt such affinity.

I am sorry to hear of your health issues, Adrie. And I hope Cloud
Atlas provides you with as much enjoyment as it did me.

Thank you,


On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi , Dan,all..
> Money and work are mountains we all have to climb, there would be no decent
> or valid point to make, when at the same time trying to avoid to climb and
> willing to be at the summit in the same framing.
> I like the word 'framing'.
> It is never only the money or the work that is framing us in the job or in
> our lives,the frame contains lots of components that are even so determinant
> for our existence...,
> Social patterns.Geografical patterns.Political patterns.'Mother the Wife'.
> Distances.Oceans .
> I need no fantasy or bright brain to know that i'll have commitments other
> than work and money related.It makes a very big difference for me , now that
> i'm retired.The frame itself becomes lesser important.But it is never
> absent.
> Reviewing what you and Wes wrote, i can say that some possibilities
> are very easyly overlooked.It comes along with the  the frame to do so.
> The mechanisms are repeated. If one American buys tannerite to blow up
> some rodents ,other fellow Americans will follow his example and blow up
> some pigeons with tannerite.But of course this is a simplified example to
> point to something.Do not buy tannerite.Do not blow up rodents,youtube is
> full of it.......
> There are ways to step out of the frame that is yours and is framing you
> where you are,without the need to leave it.Start writing. Keep on
> writing,and start travelling the world around with some magic stroke's on
> your keyboard
> It does not have to be non-fiction.Fiction is allowed.
> Allocate your soul at the helm of your computer and write about the events
> you see,the toughts you have,...........The list is endless.
> Sorry for this short reading and write back to you Dan, but i was in the
> Hospital this week for epidural injections in my neck and spinal cord.
> Had to take it real easy.Still a very numb feeling in my arms and thumbs
> and shoulders.Very numb and very annoying.
> The Cloud Atlas book arrived today.I can start reading it, maybe i will
> take it with me to Turkey next week,i have a 10 day's holliday.I go to
> Bodrum.
> Look around in Erdoganistan...(pun), That will give me some time to read.
> Welcome Andrew and Wes, btw.Feel free to interact anyway.
> And no, English is not my language.I'm a Belgian.
> Adrie
> 2017-08-25 6:08 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>> Andrew, all,
>> If money were no object, what would you do?
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Chu <andrew.chu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Maybe one way to spread quality is to imbue it in what we do?
>> >
>> > Spend our precious hours finding those things that we uniquely connect
>> with and venture into that quality connection.
>> >
>> > Has anyone watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi?  That’s quality if I ever saw
>> it.  It’s as if a low thunderous roar of quality was building over the last
>> 70 years of his life and once it crested it left a lasting impression
>> across the world.
>> >
>> > We need more of that.  It could be anything, sushi, soccer, singing,
>> strawberry jam.  The paradox of our time is that we have so many ways to
>> express our quality and so little quality to express.
>> >
>> > That needs to change.
>> >
>> > From: Dan Glover
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:19 PM
>> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
>> >
>> > Hi Adrie,
>> > Yes, new every day. I like that. Thanks, Adrie!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Can we still be surprised and feel awe when we discover a bird's nest in
>> >> the
>> >> shrubs or a frog in the polder?,we should be!,....many people loose this
>> >> ability early in life.We can ask ourselves,...
>> >> Did the emotional/intellectual adaptive filter close too early for
>> them,and
>> >> did the pattern dissolve itself to give way for other patterns to
>> >> emerge?......,
>> >>
>> >> Sometimes a bit strange that i will take a philosopher stance to stop
>> >> thinking about these things, and go back to expiriencing again, as if
>> >> everything is anew every day.
>> >>
>> >> Adrie
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