[MD] cloud atlas.

Sun Oct 1 02:24:27 PDT 2017

Hi , Dan, All...

I did not read much for this week. Came across a story in the book about
Mulish's life, as letters from and to his mother were found in his
dairies,telling to him , after she left Harry's father for the third time,
that she was leaving for
Amerika, destined for San Fransico.After some time there, and cleaning jobs
she wrote Harry a letter that she met with henry Miller in Big Sur,to sleep
there and do the dishes together; clearly a eufemism to something else,
given the content of Tropic of Capricorn.
Strange how some issue's come around again.Like Big Sur.

Oh , I wrote to inform you that Dan Browns new book will go on the market
here upcoming tuesday , and the title is a surprise!!, =not given to the
audience until then.Probably 'Origin' or 'source',....in Europe.

Rumour has it that Brussels is embedded.Rumours!

Adrie

2017-09-29 7:25 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:

> Hi Adrie,
>
> I believe if memory serves the doctor in question in Cloud Atlas is
> Dr. Goose, which is most likely a nom de guerre for Dr. Marinus of The
> Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet. At least in my opinion. If so, he
> isn't exactly a reincarnation. I will leave that for you to decipher.
>
> I haven't seen the Cloud Atlas movie. Seems the book would be a
> difficult one to translate to film.
>
> My condolences on the death of your friend. And best wishes for your
> daughter's full recovery.
>
> Oh. I think I am up to chapter 61 in Dan Brown's Inferno. I will keep
> you updated as to my progress.
>
> Thanks, Adrie!
>
> Dan
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi , Dan, All.....
> > Well i'm done reading the book entirely, and i must admit that Mitchell
> is
> > a great author.I love the book all the way.In fact it is good enough to
> > read more of him.
> > I think i will read Thousand autumns of Jacob De Zoet also, and i think
> The
> > caracter you mentioned earlier in the thread about the doctor who
> mistreats
> > him; in fact should be this Boerhaave the famous doctor?, the Boerhaave
> > that appears in Cloud atlas is in this sense a reincarnation of the
> > Boerhaave in
> > Thousand Autumns,.... nice,the guy has his caracters in the fingers.
> > Boerhaave is a common name here.(btw)
> > I think the famous doctor is to be found on wiki,for his story.
> >
> > I was occupied some days now, because my daughter had her knee replaced
> > and a very good friend of us  died a week ago.We attended his funeral
> > yesterday.We took a vacation in Rome a year ago with him.He was
> Italian,and
> > knowed every place in Rome.He showed us a pub next to villa
> > Borghese, were Al Pacino sometimes comes to have a martini.Nice place ,al
> > his picures on the wall there.The closest i can come to the godfather.
> >
> > I also downloaded Cloud Atles as movie, on my box, but i think its not a
> > very good film, The script avoids all the real locations,like Bruges, and
> > the letters
> > from Zedelghem are left in the shadows,... pff. nope.
> > I also finished Inferno.
> > On the afterword Dan Brown thanks his Turkish historians for the
> storylines.
> > I also found out that Mitchel as well for Thousend Autumns as for Cloud,
> > lived in Holland for six months, and lived some time in Belgium also.
> >
> > The coming days i will also finish the Harry Mulish homily-- so , up for
> > Autumns and Dejima.
> >
> > Adrie
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-14 12:54 GMT+02:00 Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hi, Dan, all...
> >>
> >> Given the content of your last sentence,yes,i did some further reading
> to
> >> the
> >> end of the book , and it is thrue that a cluster of alter ego's appears
> >> and vanishes again only to reappear in other chapters/essays,and story's
> >> elsewhere.They really merge into previous characters.
> >> The same pattern indeed that we can find in "Zen,..."and "Lila", where
> it
> >> is not always very clear when Phaedrus,the narrator Pirsig and the
> >> caracters are talking.Phaedrus is a master of disguise, as is Pirsig
> when
> >> hiding in the alter ego.
> >> There is a page somewhere in the book , where  Mitchell uses the term
> New
> >> England, but does not seem to project innuendo of any sort.
> >> This guy is very sharp in his details,when he retakes the "letters from
> >> Zedelgem", near the end of the book, he makes sure the first letter
> takes
> >> of where the last of the early chapters left it, even to the
> >> date.10/10/1931; is
> >> about two weeks after the last was left behind.
> >> Also it was very nice to find that when he left the diary of Ewing
> (first
> >> exposure) , and used an unfinished sentence as lead-out, he uses the
> same
> >> sentence as lead-in in for
> >> the retake of the dairy of Ewing near the end.Just before he does, he
> >> talks about Frobishers molecules , lingering around in his
> mind.Briljant!,
> >> superb!
> >>
> >> Personally , i like the Cavendish caracter most,but that is a personal
> >> feeling i guess.Very rational Brit writing like he is a freemason of
> >> semantics.
> >> This book contains more story's that a writer can think of.History
> itself
> >> delivers them.  That also apply's for 'inferno' of Dan Brown,that i
> >> recommended,history and the geograpical setting that is chosen delivers
> a
> >> part of the mystic content.I left it aside for now, need to read some
> other
> >> things first. During my reading of the surroundings in Brugge,(bruges)
> and
> >> Zedelgem(modern spelling), i visited the brugse reien virtually and
> >> travelled
> >> some of the streets via google earth,for the part about the "minnewater"
> >> he mentions.Coming around that event , i found several entry's in wiki
> >> talking about the castle of the Della Faille's on the border of the
> >> "Minnewater".
> >> This was not related to Mitchell's book , but de Della Faille's were the
> >> big
> >> landlords in my home town of Assenede,during medieval times, and i just
> >> had to grab the story i found.Its a book on itself.But has nothing to do
> >> with the Cloud Atlas.
> >>
> >> Brugge, (Bruges) is only 40 minutes driving from here btw.Most beautiful
> >> town in Belgium, very clean and very historical.Very medieval.I know all
> >> places in the book.Even the hotels are real.And the musea.
> >> When artists are visiting  Brugge they tend to become creative.
> >> One can travel most of the canals here by boat, not expensive, its even
> >> possible around Gent and in the city core of Gent proper itself in the
> >> medieval channels.That is only 20 min's from my location here.
> >>
> >> Medieval centum Gent
> >>
> >> http://www.debootjesvangent.be/nl/stadsrondvaarten/het-
> >> middeleeuwse-centrum-40-min
> >>
> >> 7 euro/person
> >>
> >> medieval centrum Brugge (Bruges)
> >>
> >> http://www.boottochten-brugge.be/
> >>
> >> 8 euro/person
> >>
> >> also Gent to Bruges is possible.
> >>
> >> Have some fun.Adrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-09-13 5:48 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> Hi Adrie,
> >>>
> >>> Glad you are enjoying Cloud Atlas. Yes I agree how David Mitchell does
> >>> a stellar job with his characters and their settings. Oh. The Kona
> >>> episode is written from the future tense and disregard this if you
> >>> haven't made it through the entire book yet as it may contain
> >>> spoilers:
> >>>
> >>> the dialect is I think meant to reflect a breakdown in social
> >>> standards (and morality as well, thus the rather filthy and limp
> >>> portrayal) in some unspecified but certainly not too distant point in
> >>> time and it is set on the islands of what we today call Hawaii. This
> >>> is I think a rather ingenious portrayal of social patterns devolving
> >>> rather than evolving, the result of what we might term negative
> >>> Quality.
> >>>
> >>> The point of view character starts as a young boy I believe of around
> >>> 7 years old who unwittingly leads the Kona back to his camp where the
> >>> barbarians slaughter his father and older brother while he hides in
> >>> the forest. Later, the boy now grown meets with a newcomer to the
> >>> island who might or might not be a relative and who might or might not
> >>> be the reincarnated persona of earlier characters in the story. Note
> >>> the comet-shaped birthmark.
> >>>
> >>> You might notice how David Mitchell uses reincarnation as a touchstone
> >>> not only in Cloud Atlas but in all his stories. The same characters
> >>> continually appear and reappear throughout his novels. You might even
> >>> make the case how the boy is not only a descendant of one of the
> >>> earlier characters in the book, the one who mistakenly believes he's
> >>> been afflicted with a deadly parasite, but quite probably the
> >>> reincarnated persona. The doctor who treats him (or rather mistreats)
> >>> is relateable to a character from The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de
> >>> Zoet and The Bone Clocks and is a traveler of an altogether different
> >>> sort.
> >>>
> >>> The intermingling nature of the stories leads the reader up the hill
> >>> and then back down again which I think is much like Robert Pirsig's
> >>> two novels, ZMM leading us up and Lila taking us back down. Thus the
> >>> mention of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in Cloud Atlas is
> >>> I think no accident or whim of the author but instead what we might
> >>> term a touchstone, a point on a map guiding us to a more expansive
> >>> point of view.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > I did some more reading today, Dan, and i have to say,the story's are
> >>> > stunning.This writer is really far pitching.What took my attention
> most
> >>> and
> >>> > give me the feeling that i was walking around in alice's wonderland,
> is
> >>> > that he went around the geographical timetable's to situate his
> >>> caracters
> >>> > in their locations.
> >>> > When JR Ewing speaks , he uses the 1850  spelling of the Dutch
> /Flemish
> >>> > language,when the letters of Zedelghem are spoken about, the author
> uses
> >>> > the 1931 language spelling, as the story situates itself in..... etc,
> >>> > brilliant!, he actually used words that i had to look up in the
> >>> dictionary,
> >>> > and i'm from around here.A particulair word,"verwaten", does nor even
> >>> exist
> >>> > anymore!;this is a very rare quality in a writer.
> >>> > He actually writes some phrases in Western Flemish,like he is from
> >>> around
> >>> > there, dialect as they come. Superb.
> >>> >
> >>> > But i'm struggling with one of the story's.
> >>> > He embeds a story about the Kona within the two orison articles(not
> >>> written
> >>> > as a chapter). It looks like an essay.But it is written in a sort of
> >>> > Dutch and absolutely not Flemish dialect, that is so filthy and limp,
> >>> and
> >>> > idiotic that one can only find it around the big asocial city's like
> say
> >>> > Rotterdam and Amsterdam.Extremely annoying.I do not understand why
> this
> >>> is
> >>> > written this way.
> >>> > Struggle....
> >>> >
> >>> > Adrie
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
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