[MD] The need for quality

Fri Sep 1 23:15:32 PDT 2017

Hi Adrie,

I found the stories of Cloud Atlas to be interlocking in nature. In
fact it was quite a joy for me to discover old characters from some of
his other novels inhabiting the book. And I shouldn't be too quick to
dismiss the fifth story. The novel would not work if not for that.

I searched for the work of Harry Mulish but apparently the book you
mention hasn't been translated into English as of yet.

Thanks, Adrie!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dan,...all.
>
> I took a sneak peak diagonal reading preview on Cloud Atlas yesterday,and i
> have to agree with you that we will have much to discuss about it , if you
> like.
> It is too early for me to formulate a solid  judgement about the book,but
> the bulk of what i read so far is of very high literary quality.
> The letters from Zedelgem instances are absolute top level, and very
> complex in their carefully constructed build-up.I have my doubts on the
> sixth story as i did not found its concluding meanig yet,but i will dig in
> further.
> The fifth story is a non-event.Counting sheeps.Nothing else.
>
> But the 'Zedelghem 'entity, as for locality,caracters and embedded
> history;.....
> wow! Stuff to study for quite some time.Learnig grounds for the writers of
> tomorrow.
>
> As i was thinking about your questions about purpose and goal, a book on
> the shelf here is a biography about Harry Mulish named 'Zijn Eigen Land' or
> translated, 'His Own Country' I have no knowledge of a translated form in
> English, but it will probably exist as Mulish is one of the greatest
> ,nearly everything he wrote was translated or is in the proces.
> The book is a chronicle of his notes that he left in his office when he
> died.
>
> There are several things in it that i like to offer along with the
> discussing of
> Cloud Atlas.btw Andrew, the phrase "Is this guy fired yet" would be a good
> booktitle.Or a chapter.If i'm back from Turkey we will have a rewind of
> that.
>
>
> Adrie
>
>
>
> 2017-08-29 8:21 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Adrie,
>>
>> I don't think avoidance comes into play so far as purpose except in
>> the contrary. What I mean is that when money and work become the
>> purpose we are avoiding what is true and real and meaningful in life.
>> There is nothing fanciful about purpose nor does a person have to be
>> exceptionally intelligent to discover it.
>>
>> Yes. Framing. But isn't framing more a matter of cultural patterns
>> constraining our lives into what others believe is important? For
>> example, perhaps a girl comes of age dreaming of becoming an actor.
>> But because her family sees that choice as fanciful they steer her,
>> frame her, into becoming a good girl who does as others want. A girl
>> who doesn't follow her heart. She spends her life unhappily married
>> and when her children are born she repeats the process by instilling
>> in them the same shallow thinking.
>>
>> Most would agree how a student doing exceptional work is deserving of
>> a better grade than those doing less. In the same fashion, an employee
>> doing exceptional work would be seen as deserving better pay than
>> those doing less. In this fashion, people are indoctrinated into a
>> culture of earning. Those who for perhaps reasons of their own go on
>> to fail at the game are denounced as losers, those back of the class
>> kids for who Robert Pirsig felt such affinity.
>>
>> I am sorry to hear of your health issues, Adrie. And I hope Cloud
>> Atlas provides you with as much enjoyment as it did me.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi , Dan,all..
>> >
>> > Money and work are mountains we all have to climb, there would be no
>> decent
>> > or valid point to make, when at the same time trying to avoid to climb
>> and
>> > willing to be at the summit in the same framing.
>> > I like the word 'framing'.
>> > It is never only the money or the work that is framing us in the job or
>> in
>> > our lives,the frame contains lots of components that are even so
>> determinant
>> > for our existence...,
>> > Social patterns.Geografical patterns.Political patterns.'Mother the
>> Wife'.
>> > Distances.Oceans .
>> > I need no fantasy or bright brain to know that i'll have commitments
>> other
>> > than work and money related.It makes a very big difference for me , now
>> that
>> > i'm retired.The frame itself becomes lesser important.But it is never
>> > absent.
>> >
>> > Reviewing what you and Wes wrote, i can say that some possibilities
>> > are very easyly overlooked.It comes along with the  the frame to do so.
>> > The mechanisms are repeated. If one American buys tannerite to blow up
>> > some rodents ,other fellow Americans will follow his example and blow up
>> > some pigeons with tannerite.But of course this is a simplified example to
>> > point to something.Do not buy tannerite.Do not blow up rodents,youtube is
>> > full of it.......
>> >
>> > There are ways to step out of the frame that is yours and is framing you
>> > where you are,without the need to leave it.Start writing. Keep on
>> > writing,and start travelling the world around with some magic stroke's on
>> > your keyboard
>> > It does not have to be non-fiction.Fiction is allowed.
>> > Allocate your soul at the helm of your computer and write about the
>> events
>> > you see,the toughts you have,...........The list is endless.
>> >
>> > Sorry for this short reading and write back to you Dan, but i was in the
>> > Hospital this week for epidural injections in my neck and spinal cord.
>> > Had to take it real easy.Still a very numb feeling in my arms and thumbs
>> > and shoulders.Very numb and very annoying.
>> > The Cloud Atlas book arrived today.I can start reading it, maybe i will
>> > take it with me to Turkey next week,i have a 10 day's holliday.I go to
>> > Bodrum.
>> > Look around in Erdoganistan...(pun), That will give me some time to read.
>> >
>> > Welcome Andrew and Wes, btw.Feel free to interact anyway.
>> > And no, English is not my language.I'm a Belgian.
>> >
>> > Adrie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2017-08-25 6:08 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Andrew, all,
>> >>
>> >> If money were no object, what would you do?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Chu <andrew.chu at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > Maybe one way to spread quality is to imbue it in what we do?
>> >> >
>> >> > Spend our precious hours finding those things that we uniquely connect
>> >> with and venture into that quality connection.
>> >> >
>> >> > Has anyone watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi?  That’s quality if I ever saw
>> >> it.  It’s as if a low thunderous roar of quality was building over the
>> last
>> >> 70 years of his life and once it crested it left a lasting impression
>> >> across the world.
>> >> >
>> >> > We need more of that.  It could be anything, sushi, soccer, singing,
>> >> strawberry jam.  The paradox of our time is that we have so many ways to
>> >> express our quality and so little quality to express.
>> >> >
>> >> > That needs to change.
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Dan Glover
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:19 PM
>> >> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Adrie,
>> >> > Yes, new every day. I like that. Thanks, Adrie!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> Can we still be surprised and feel awe when we discover a bird's
>> nest in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> shrubs or a frog in the polder?,we should be!,....many people loose
>> this
>> >> >> ability early in life.We can ask ourselves,...
>> >> >> Did the emotional/intellectual adaptive filter close too early for
>> >> them,and
>> >> >> did the pattern dissolve itself to give way for other patterns to
>> >> >> emerge?......,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sometimes a bit strange that i will take a philosopher stance to stop
>> >> >> thinking about these things, and go back to expiriencing again, as if
>> >> >> everything is anew every day.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Adrie
>> >>
>> >>
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