[MD] The need for quality

Sat Sep 30 09:05:02 PDT 2017

 @ Wes.
One of the highlights in Pirsig's work, is the absence of the creator, the
'Absolute', and any form of mystic thruth, or mysticism.Pirsig made it
quite clear that they have no place in his work.In the Copleston
Annotations he rages several times about the 'Absolute', naming it as a
brand of vodka.
Its quite a bit strange that, whilst reading Lila, you accidentaly came
across these issue's regardless of some not beiing named or spoken of in
Lila.

If you feel like in need of the 'Absolute', or the presence of the creator
as an
attribute to the Moq or Lila;do not bother....you will not find them in
Pirsig's work.Nor you will find mysticism along the lines.....in interviews
he gave or comments.

I admit i pushed you a little to make you read Pirsig, or Lila,as i tought
it
would be appropriate for you to know the content.It was not my intention to
ridicule you or make myself look more clever.
Apparently you took the bait and started reading.Nice.It would be nice if
you started to discover things.... and talk about it.

Maybe you have a very nice point with this Derwish related spinning.
Probably you are not aware of it , but my wife is Turkish,and her father
came from Kayseri (the former Cesarea)  and that is in the same area as
where
Konya is.The Derwishes are very well known there and i have some knowledge
of Mevlana, Rumi, and related issue's.
But of course if you keep insisting to stay on the creators path,.....our
ways will have to part.

Try to keep a hawkseye on your terms and denotations and connotations.
I will give you an example.

This is the last sentence ou the previous posting you made.
A statement made by you.

quote Wes (out of context).

"A stagnant system does not bring anyone to whirl."

comment A3,
only partially thrue, as Pirsig was very clear about the static Moq.
I found it back on Dr Mc Watt's site, Moq.org

The moq itself is static, unlike the Dynamic Quality it talks about.If you
can find it back on that page, i will give you a imaginary medal of honour.

But you are not the first to make the remark, and you are right a static
reality does not rock.

I still have a little aside, Wes, as you keep writing, Pursig,
Persig,Ardrie, Ardie,
and Praedus,it dawned at me that you are possible a dyslectic person?...if
so,no problem,i will not make fun out of it,but i do not see mistakes in
the other parts of your postings, possibly the corrector interferes?.Just
let me know.

A3

2017-09-30 5:59 GMT+02:00 WES STEWART <wesstt at shaw.ca>:

> Hello Dan;
>
> Are you the sole keeper of all knowledge on this site?
>
> Why did you turn Ardie into a lackie; you should have stopped it.
> Ardie is a good man and he should write something that I could learn from.
>
> Why do you start with an opinion that this is a trump card, to any
> observations that others have made?
>
> Phraedus attacked only those who represented a system, he never bullied
> his opinions on students sitting in the back row.
> Everyone of us at this forum is a student sitting in the back row.
>
> Pirsig did not want to bring any whiff of religion into any of his
> writings and denied it; yet it was so.
>
> What exactly is a "Whirling dervish?" Why did Pirsig use this term?
>
> "He looked up in the sky and whirled. Ahhh, that felt good! He hadn’t
> whirled like that for years.
> Since he was four. He whirled again. The sky, the ocean, the hook, the
> bay, spun round and round him. He felt like a Whirling Dervish."
> From Lila: An Inquiry into Morals by Robert Pirsig
>
> It is only used as a term when you feel the presence of a creator.
> We whirl at young ages as Pirsig had done, we feel the presence of the
> creator. We whirl when we see value and quality in our reality.
>
> A stagnant system does not bring anyone to whirl.
>
> From: "Dan Glover" <daneglover at gmail.com>
> To: "moq discuss" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:11:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
>
> Wes,
>
> Have I offended you somehow? If so, I apologize. Our discussion will end
> here.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:11 AM, WES STEWART <wesstt at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Hello Ardie;
> >
> > It does not matter that Dan had the opportunity to work with Pirsig
> himself.
> > I am aware aware of that also. But tell me why, that Horse had told me
> this group was dead?
> >
> > Does Dan have anything to learn? If he does not have anything to learn,
> > I suggest he fly to Japan and have a brief conversation with Jiro.
> >
> > If I had the money or time I would; want to meet Jiro.
> >
> >
> > From: "Adrie Kintziger" <parser666 at gmail.com>
> > To: "moq discuss" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:59:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
> >
> > Hi, Wes, I live in Belgium, and i have copy's of 'Zen'... and 'Lila', in
> > different language's.Belium is tri-lingual. It seems to depend on the
> > editor/corrector/translator and...the several runs of it publishing.
> > You are not correct as it differs for the L and l in the way you are
> > projecting.
> >
> >
> > Btw , Dan had the opportunity to work with Pirsig himself(the Author),
> on a
> > book follow -up called 'Lila's Child',to clarify some issue's, and Dan
> > became an expert on the Subject Lila,Lila's Child, and Pirsig's work
> > altogether.
> > If he offers something, it is nearly as good and solid,as it was given
> > first handed by Pirsig himself.
> > I also remember Pirsig making the statement about the Lilac's odor.
> > But Dan is correct,Lila is Pirsig.Lila is an imaginary product.Lila is
> > inorganic/organic/biological/intellectual. In this summary nothing is
> > excluded.
> >
> > Adrie
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