[MD] The need for quality

Sat Sep 30 09:06:32 PDT 2017

Oeps, i did not made a hyperlink,another google feature emerges!
disregard.

2017-09-30 18:05 GMT+02:00 Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>:

>  @ Wes.
> One of the highlights in Pirsig's work, is the absence of the creator, the
> 'Absolute', and any form of mystic thruth, or mysticism.Pirsig made it
> quite clear that they have no place in his work.In the Copleston
> Annotations he rages several times about the 'Absolute', naming it as a
> brand of vodka.
> Its quite a bit strange that, whilst reading Lila, you accidentaly came
> across these issue's regardless of some not beiing named or spoken of in
> Lila.
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> If you feel like in need of the 'Absolute', or the presence of the creator
> as an
> attribute to the Moq or Lila;do not bother....you will not find them in
> Pirsig's work.Nor you will find mysticism along the lines.....in interviews
> he gave or comments.
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> I admit i pushed you a little to make you read Pirsig, or Lila,as i tought
> it
> would be appropriate for you to know the content.It was not my intention
> to ridicule you or make myself look more clever.
> Apparently you took the bait and started reading.Nice.It would be nice if
> you started to discover things.... and talk about it.
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> Maybe you have a very nice point with this Derwish related spinning.
> Probably you are not aware of it , but my wife is Turkish,and her father
> came from Kayseri (the former Cesarea)  and that is in the same area as
> where
> Konya is.The Derwishes are very well known there and i have some knowledge
> of Mevlana, Rumi, and related issue's.
> But of course if you keep insisting to stay on the creators path,.....our
> ways will have to part.
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> Try to keep a hawkseye on your terms and denotations and connotations.
> I will give you an example.
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> This is the last sentence ou the previous posting you made.
> A statement made by you.
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> quote Wes (out of context).
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> "A stagnant system does not bring anyone to whirl."
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> comment A3,
> only partially thrue, as Pirsig was very clear about the static Moq.
> I found it back on Dr Mc Watt's site, Moq.org
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> The moq itself is static, unlike the Dynamic Quality it talks about.If you
> can find it back on that page, i will give you a imaginary medal of honour.
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> But you are not the first to make the remark, and you are right a static
> reality does not rock.
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> I still have a little aside, Wes, as you keep writing, Pursig,
> Persig,Ardrie, Ardie,
> and Praedus,it dawned at me that you are possible a dyslectic person?...if
> so,no problem,i will not make fun out of it,but i do not see mistakes in
> the other parts of your postings, possibly the corrector interferes?.Just
> let me know.
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> 2017-09-30 5:59 GMT+02:00 WES STEWART <wesstt at shaw.ca>:
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>> Hello Dan;
>>
>> Are you the sole keeper of all knowledge on this site?
>>
>> Why did you turn Ardie into a lackie; you should have stopped it.
>> Ardie is a good man and he should write something that I could learn from.
>>
>> Why do you start with an opinion that this is a trump card, to any
>> observations that others have made?
>>
>> Phraedus attacked only those who represented a system, he never bullied
>> his opinions on students sitting in the back row.
>> Everyone of us at this forum is a student sitting in the back row.
>>
>> Pirsig did not want to bring any whiff of religion into any of his
>> writings and denied it; yet it was so.
>>
>> What exactly is a "Whirling dervish?" Why did Pirsig use this term?
>>
>> "He looked up in the sky and whirled. Ahhh, that felt good! He hadn’t
>> whirled like that for years.
>> Since he was four. He whirled again. The sky, the ocean, the hook, the
>> bay, spun round and round him. He felt like a Whirling Dervish."
>> From Lila: An Inquiry into Morals by Robert Pirsig
>>
>> It is only used as a term when you feel the presence of a creator.
>> We whirl at young ages as Pirsig had done, we feel the presence of the
>> creator. We whirl when we see value and quality in our reality.
>>
>> A stagnant system does not bring anyone to whirl.
>>
>> From: "Dan Glover" <daneglover at gmail.com>
>> To: "moq discuss" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:11:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
>>
>> Wes,
>>
>> Have I offended you somehow? If so, I apologize. Our discussion will end
>> here.
>>
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>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:11 AM, WES STEWART <wesstt at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> > Hello Ardie;
>> >
>> > It does not matter that Dan had the opportunity to work with Pirsig
>> himself.
>> > I am aware aware of that also. But tell me why, that Horse had told me
>> this group was dead?
>> >
>> > Does Dan have anything to learn? If he does not have anything to learn,
>> > I suggest he fly to Japan and have a brief conversation with Jiro.
>> >
>> > If I had the money or time I would; want to meet Jiro.
>> >
>> >
>> > From: "Adrie Kintziger" <parser666 at gmail.com>
>> > To: "moq discuss" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:59:23 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality
>> >
>> > Hi, Wes, I live in Belgium, and i have copy's of 'Zen'... and 'Lila', in
>> > different language's.Belium is tri-lingual. It seems to depend on the
>> > editor/corrector/translator and...the several runs of it publishing.
>> > You are not correct as it differs for the L and l in the way you are
>> > projecting.
>> >
>> >
>> > Btw , Dan had the opportunity to work with Pirsig himself(the Author),
>> on a
>> > book follow -up called 'Lila's Child',to clarify some issue's, and Dan
>> > became an expert on the Subject Lila,Lila's Child, and Pirsig's work
>> > altogether.
>> > If he offers something, it is nearly as good and solid,as it was given
>> > first handed by Pirsig himself.
>> > I also remember Pirsig making the statement about the Lilac's odor.
>> > But Dan is correct,Lila is Pirsig.Lila is an imaginary product.Lila is
>> > inorganic/organic/biological/intellectual. In this summary nothing is
>> > excluded.
>> >
>> > Adrie
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