[MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends

Scribe Scribe at Club-Hub.com
Wed Apr 29 10:54:49 PDT 2020 

Dan and Adrie,
As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I can testify
that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions a few, but
by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times as many of
them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There is a serious
infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where Conservative
northerners retire with their Stepford wives to ride golf carts and complain
about being taxed for schools. Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh Water
Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a still
many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from civilization as
native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many are still fighting the
Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of Confederate flags
rises exponentially as do cars on blocks, roofless trailers, bad teeth, body
odor, and inbreeding. 
And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. We sweat
from late March through February. 
As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end road from a
truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the groan of
big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of black
topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but now there are
hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and Hooter's in her back
yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an interstate at
the other. 
There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and mosquitos
usually found a way in through the open screened windows. We took some
grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and in the hall of statutes in the
Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone famous or
notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which drew a big "Huh?"
from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who invented
Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the gators, skeeters,
and Seminoles in less than a decade.
As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. That
said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot.
We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, Amsterdam,
Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the Amsterdam airport,
which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but Amsterdam
is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be killed by
a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. Beautiful places,
and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did stray a bit into
the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of nowhere. We
also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's
graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman and saw the
buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer museum in
Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of only two
signature in the world of Ada Lovelace!
You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed into full
blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's climate, I
write it off to contagion.
Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for a couple
of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour of Greece
in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips from the
oracle at Delphi...
It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more will chime in
and who know what might happen.
Krimel
 



-----Original Message-----
From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of Dan
Glover
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends

Hello Adrie,

Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there are still
many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer they had
to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live on account
of the black bear population growing so much and possibly posing a danger to
human visitors.

That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are originally from
Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive species that seem to find a
niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths with their
thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks on steamers
back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to Jacksonville in a
laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild. Now they are
everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars that grow to
enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take the boat out
into the swamps.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly pushed 
> to extinction by the use of some agricultural supplements--,there are 
> many apple orchards here , and the farmers used Chloormequat for too 
> long.When i was young the swallows broke the electricitylines by their 
> sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared for nearly 
> 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here at my 
> house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.!
> Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they adapted 
> to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons.
> We also have harriers.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier
>
> Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from 
> Europe?...they were brought to New York at first.
> They even have migratory behavier there..
>
> Adrie
>
>
> Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi Adrie!
> >
> > Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can always 
> > spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings displayed 
> > menacingly. When
> I
> > first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry with 
> > me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really doing 
> > is
> drying
> > their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other
> waterfowl
> > like ducks and such.
> >
> > One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter.  You see
> him/her
> > coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then stands 
> > for hours on end staring intently at the water. The intensity of its 
> > glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a 
> > sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with a fish 
> > wriggling in its beak. I am
> sure
> > if I had koi, they would be long gone by now.
> >
> > The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where vast 
> > mats
> of
> > water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy munching 
> > on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee and her calf 
> > visited my canal for a couple days. You see them mostly out on the
rivers, though.
> > Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along 
> > with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine falcons as
well.
> You
> > can always tell them by their high-pitched screech.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger 
> > <parser666 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello , Dan, long time no see..
> > > The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two 
> > > years
> ago a
> > > blu heron was able to
> > > steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is 
> > > still
> there
> > > now, with some goldfish.I had
> > > to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another pest 
> > > here
> > is
> > > the great cormorant which
> > > is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!.
> > > Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 years or
> > so,..in
> > > the yacht harbour.
> > >
> > > Adrie
> > >
> > > Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Hello old friends,
> > > >
> > > > A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't 
> > > > sell,
> > and
> > > > moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched 
> > > > precariously
> > > close
> > > > to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my 
> > > > days
> > > sitting
> > > > in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and 
> > > > blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to 
> > > > Zen and
> the
> > > Art
> > > > of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by
> Salman
> > > > Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything.
> > > >
> > > > I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part 
> > > > of
> that
> > > has
> > > > to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in
> December
> > > and
> > > > January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent 
> > > > on
> > killing
> > > > me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do 
> > > > write
> now
> > > has
> > > > more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in
> that I
> > > am
> > > > most likely fooling myself.
> > > >
> > > > I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking,
> running,
> > > > swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and 
> > > > dammit
> if
> > it
> > > > doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new 
> > > > and
> > old,
> > > > catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems 
> > > > particularly
> > > apropos
> > > > to these long and sunny Florida afternoons.
> > > >
> > > > Life is good.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > A rip tide is raging
> > > > And the life guard is away
> > > > But the ocean doesn't want me today The ocean doesn't want me 
> > > > today (Tom Waits)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger 
> > > > <parser666 at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. 
> > > > > ,in
> > the
> > > > > run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i 
> > > > > had
> to
> > do
> > > > up
> > > > > myself (3 yrs work),
> > > > > i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went
> > > silent.Probably
> > > > i
> > > > > was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked 
> > > > > anymore,
> nor
> > > > did i
> > > > > hear anything.
> > > > > So you are the first ,Matt.
> > > > > I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my 
> > > > > bicycle
> > > daily,
> > > > > do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now.
> > > > > But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and 
> > > > > with
> > the
> > > > > Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the 
> > > > > Netherlands,
> > but
> > > > have
> > > > > to stay in Belgium nowadays.
> > > > > We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are
> > patrolling
> > > > the
> > > > > little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for 
> > > > > now
> is
> > > > > cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , on some 
> > > > > distance from each other. Its our
> > > personal
> > > > > tranquility base , so we have to guard it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a 
> > > > > location
> > > that
> > > > > allows you to weather this viral storms ...
> > > > > Missed you all, Krimel included.
> > > > > Adrie
> > > > >
> > > > > Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Matt,
> > > > > > Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day 
> > > > > > on the
> > > MoQ.
> > > > In
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few 
> > > > > > reflection
> on
> > > the
> > > > > past
> > > > > > do these days.
> > > > > > I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my 
> > > > > > true
> name,
> > > > > which I
> > > > > > thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school 
> > > > > > in
> > > > > communication
> > > > > > but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's,
> mostly
> > > > > because
> > > > > > I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology 
> > > > > > but
> also
> > > > > classes
> > > > > > in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and 
> > > > > > spent
> > couple
> > > > of
> > > > > > months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar 
> > > > > > plans
> > > this
> > > > > year
> > > > > > but they have been delayed...
> > > > > > There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. 
> > > > > > When I
> > > entered
> > > > > > graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of 
> > > > > > writing a
> day
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was 
> > > > > > too
> > > focused,
> > > > > too
> > > > > > controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a 
> > > > > > lot
> for
> > > > > > graduate
> > > > > > school but it was not for fun and other than being an 
> > > > > > asshole on
> > > > > Facebook I
> > > > > > don't do it much these days.
> > > > > > Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of 
> > > > > > you,
> > > > fiercely.
> > > > > > Krimel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > Kundert
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM
> > > > > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > > > > Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's been three years since I've checked this email and five
> since
> > I
> > > > > wrote
> > > > > > to the listserve.  I was just talking to a friend, outside, 
> > > > > > 8
> feet
> > > > away,
> > > > > on
> > > > > > a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM.  
> > > > > > We
> > > > chatted a
> > > > > > little while about it, and am going to give her one of the 
> > > > > > many
> > > copies
> > > > I
> > > > > > still have squirreled away.  I haven't read it since I 
> > > > > > taught it
> in
> > > > 2014,
> > > > > > but I still think it is one of the most remarkably 
> > > > > > structured
> > books.
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its
> > > > > responsiveness
> > > > > > is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture.  
> > > > > > The
> real
> > > > > > nostalgia
> > > > > > I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of 
> > > > > > my
> old
> > > > > friends
> > > > > > and interlocutors who still receive these emails.  I still 
> > > > > > feel
> > that
> > > my
> > > > > > participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > stylistic
> > > > > > growth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope everyone is well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt
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