[MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends

Fri May 1 09:32:43 PDT 2020

MoQers all, if you haven't chimed in, we miss you.

So I may need to walk back my criticism of Florida just a smidgen. As a
lifelong resident, I may be bound by the old adage "familiarity breeds
contempt." I never saw snow until I has in my late 20s. I lived in Atlanta
for a time and while it snowed there every few years it was not the kind of
cold one feels a need to escape from. My daughter left Florida for Boston
and her first few years there were difficult. She had to explain to me that
you can actually die from being outside in the cold. I still have not lived
through an actual winter so please take my Florida comments with a grain for
salt.
I have lived mainly in the center of the state, variously described as the
navel or the asshole depending on mood. It is a place previously dominated
by orange groves and phosphate strip mining. Today the phosphate's mostly
gone and the mining moved south. Every year we get a hard freeze (That being
any weather under 32 degrees, which is every 5 or 10 years) the groves
freeze and every year that happens fewer and fewer trees are replaced;
instead the trees are burned and smoothed over for housing developments or
shopping malls. Years ago my neck of the woods during the winter we had the
worst air pollution in the nation some winters. When the temperatures fell
many of my classmates took days off from school to burn old tires and light
smudge pots in the groves to bring the temperature. Living across the street
from a grove, I would wake to find my nostrils full of black smutty snot and
the air so thick it was hard to find the school bus stop.
I commend Tim for reading John D. MacDonald. His Travis McGee novels are
great writing and taut examples of the hardboiled detective anti-hero.
Everytime I go to Miami, which is almost never, I go to the Bahia Mar Resort
looking for the Busted Flush in Slip F18. I get confused with MacDonald
since all his McGee stories have colors in the titles and I can never
remember which ones I have read. But for all who are curious about our
nation's madness mecca there is no finer Florida writer than Carl Hiaasen.
He has been a political reporter for the Miami Herald for decades and his
many novels are suspenseful, hilariously funny, and perfectly capture the
magnificent perversity of our state's below average citizens and their
crooked leaders. Tim note's MacDonald's passion for the environment, Hiaasen
is an environmentalist to the core and his outrage finds its way into
nearly all of his plots.
I loved your windmill photos. We saw lots of them on you European train
excursions last year and were planning to see more until the virus. I have
already started referring to 2019 as the "Before Times" and the future as
the "After Life." We are stuck here in the Now. A notion I used to beat to
death in the MoQ's Before Times.
I want to thank you all, because my mother has been on my ass to write
something and as I mentioned earlier it has been about 10 years so I
appreciate the opportunity to break the writer's block. Fair warning, if we
had a forum that allowed photos, I got a million of them. 
Literally.
Krimel

-----Original Message-----
From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of Adrie
Kintziger
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 2:57 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends

Dan, and Krimel and the rest of the suspects, To give you an idea of my
surroundings here, i included a link and a foto, with me on the bicycle
Picture is as an attachment.Place is Spui, about 30 min's driving.The mill
is in working order and is operated on saturdays when the wind allows it-i
buy my products there.

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Op do 30 apr. 2020 om 06:06 schreef Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:

> Hi Krimel,
>
> Awesome of you to write, and thanks for the welcome. I am (nearly) a 
> lifelong resident of Chicago where yes, humans have also invaded. Like 
> Florida, Chicago sits just a few feet above the water table. But 
> unlike Florida, the winters are brutal. So when the temps here drop 
> way down into the 70s and 80s and I need to pull a jacket on, well, I 
> feel I am settling in nicely.
>
> Many of my neighbors here in the swamp are native Floridians and yes I 
> do see a lot of Confederate flags waving happily in the breeze. We 
> seem to get along fine, however, even though I'm that guy who talks 
> sort of funny. On the other hand, I stay far away from the gated 
> communities that tend to proliferate nearer to the cities, like World 
> Golf Village. Not that they'd let me in anyhow.
>
> For me, Florida is about reinventing yourself. Not purposely, perhaps, 
> but more along the lines of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance 
> where the narrator says: The real cycle you're working on is a cycle
called yourself.
>
> I like to think perhaps there are still places in the world where a 
> person can do or be anything they want, or even not do or not be 
> anything at all if that's what they want, and maybe this is one of 
> those places. But then again perhaps it is all simply a matter of
perspective.
>
> Thanks again for writing,
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:56 PM Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com> wrote:
>
> > Dan and Adrie,
> > As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I can
> testify
> > that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions a 
> > few, but by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 
> > times as many of them in the state as when I entered elementary 
> > school. There is a serious infestation southwest of Dan called the 
> > Villages where Conservative northerners retire with their Stepford 
> > wives to ride golf carts and complain about being taxed for schools. 
> > Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh
> Water
> > Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a 
> > still many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from 
> > civilization as native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many 
> > are still fighting the Civil War. As you move away from cities the 
> > number of Confederate flags rises exponentially as do cars on 
> > blocks, roofless trailers, bad teeth, body odor, and inbreeding.
> > And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. We 
> > sweat from late March through February.
> > As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end road
> from a
> > truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the 
> > groan
> of
> > big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of 
> > black topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but now 
> > there are hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and 
> > Hooter's in her back yard. There is a mall on one end of her 
> > dead-end road and an interstate
> at
> > the other.
> > There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and 
> > mosquitos usually found a way in through the open screened windows. 
> > We took some grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and in the hall 
> > of statutes in
> the
> > Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone 
> > famous or notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which 
> > drew a big "Huh?"
> > from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who 
> > invented Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the 
> > gators,
> skeeters,
> > and Seminoles in less than a decade.
> > As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. 
> > That said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot.
> > We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, 
> > Amsterdam, Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the 
> > Amsterdam
> airport,
> > which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but
> Amsterdam
> > is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be 
> > killed by a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. 
> > Beautiful places, and what a concept, a theme park without 
> > animation. We did stray a bit
> into
> > the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of nowhere.
> We
> > also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's 
> > graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman and 
> > saw
> the
> > buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer 
> > museum in Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one 
> > of only two signature in the world of Ada Lovelace!
> > You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed 
> > into
> full
> > blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's
> climate,
> > I
> > write it off to contagion.
> > Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for a
> couple
> > of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour of
> Greece
> > in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips 
> > from the oracle at Delphi...
> > It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more will 
> > chime in and who know what might happen.
> > Krimel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf 
> > Of
> Dan
> > Glover
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> >
> > Hello Adrie,
> >
> > Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there 
> > are
> still
> > many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer 
> > they
> had
> > to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live on 
> > account of the black bear population growing so much and possibly 
> > posing a danger to human visitors.
> >
> > That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are 
> > originally from Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive 
> > species that seem to
> find a
> > niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths with 
> > their thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks 
> > on steamers back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to 
> > Jacksonville in a laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped 
> > into the wild. Now they
> are
> > everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars that 
> > grow to enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I 
> > take the boat
> out
> > into the swamps.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger 
> > <parser666 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly 
> > > pushed to extinction by the use of some agricultural 
> > > supplements--,there are many apple orchards here , and the farmers 
> > > used Chloormequat for too long.When i was young the swallows broke 
> > > the electricitylines by their sheer weight.Same story for the 
> > > starlings,they disappeared for nearly
> > > 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here 
> > > at my house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.!
> > > Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they 
> > > adapted to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons.
> > > We also have harriers.
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier
> > >
> > > Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from 
> > > Europe?...they were brought to New York at first.
> > > They even have migratory behavier there..
> > >
> > > Adrie
> > >
> > >
> > > Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Adrie!
> > > >
> > > > Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can 
> > > > always spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings 
> > > > displayed menacingly. When
> > > I
> > > > first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry 
> > > > with me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are 
> > > > really doing is
> > > drying
> > > > their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other
> > > waterfowl
> > > > like ducks and such.
> > > >
> > > > One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter.  You 
> > > > see
> > > him/her
> > > > coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then 
> > > > stands for hours on end staring intently at the water. The 
> > > > intensity of its glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. 
> > > > Then, all of a sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up 
> > > > with a fish wriggling in its beak. I am
> > > sure
> > > > if I had koi, they would be long gone by now.
> > > >
> > > > The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where 
> > > > vast mats
> > > of
> > > > water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy 
> > > > munching on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee 
> > > > and her calf visited my canal for a couple days. You see them 
> > > > mostly out on the
> > rivers, though.
> > > > Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along 
> > > > with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine 
> > > > falcons as
> > well.
> > > You
> > > > can always tell them by their high-pitched screech.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger 
> > > > <parser666 at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello , Dan, long time no see..
> > > > > The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two 
> > > > > years
> > > ago a
> > > > > blu heron was able to
> > > > > steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is 
> > > > > still
> > > there
> > > > > now, with some goldfish.I had
> > > > > to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another 
> > > > > pest here
> > > > is
> > > > > the great cormorant which
> > > > > is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!.
> > > > > Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 
> > > > > years or
> > > > so,..in
> > > > > the yacht harbour.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adrie
> > > > >
> > > > > Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <
> daneglover at gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello old friends,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I 
> > > > > > couldn't sell,
> > > > and
> > > > > > moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched 
> > > > > > precariously
> > > > > close
> > > > > > to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend 
> > > > > > my days
> > > > > sitting
> > > > > > in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, 
> > > > > > and blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a 
> > > > > > reference to Zen and
> > > the
> > > > > Art
> > > > > > of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) 
> > > > > > by
> > > Salman
> > > > > > Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think 
> > > > > > part of
> > > that
> > > > > has
> > > > > > to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even 
> > > > > > in
> > > December
> > > > > and
> > > > > > January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was 
> > > > > > intent on
> > > > killing
> > > > > > me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I 
> > > > > > do write
> > > now
> > > > > has
> > > > > > more quality than the torrent of words I once produced 
> > > > > > though in
> > > that I
> > > > > am
> > > > > > most likely fooling myself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, 
> > > > > > biking,
> > > running,
> > > > > > swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and 
> > > > > > dammit
> > > if
> > > > it
> > > > > > doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both 
> > > > > > new and
> > > > old,
> > > > > > catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems 
> > > > > > particularly
> > > > > apropos
> > > > > > to these long and sunny Florida afternoons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Life is good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A rip tide is raging
> > > > > > And the life guard is away
> > > > > > But the ocean doesn't want me today The ocean doesn't want 
> > > > > > me today (Tom Waits)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger 
> > > > > > <parser666 at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects..
> > > > > > > ,in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house 
> > > > > > > that i had
> > > to
> > > > do
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > myself (3 yrs work),
> > > > > > > i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went
> > > > > silent.Probably
> > > > > > i
> > > > > > > was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked 
> > > > > > > anymore,
> > > nor
> > > > > > did i
> > > > > > > hear anything.
> > > > > > > So you are the first ,Matt.
> > > > > > > I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my 
> > > > > > > bicycle
> > > > > daily,
> > > > > > > do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now.
> > > > > > > But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown 
> > > > > > > and with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the 
> > > > > > > Netherlands,
> > > > but
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > to stay in Belgium nowadays.
> > > > > > > We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they 
> > > > > > > are
> > > > patrolling
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do 
> > > > > > > for now
> > > is
> > > > > > > cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , on 
> > > > > > > some distance from each other. Its our
> > > > > personal
> > > > > > > tranquility base , so we have to guard it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a 
> > > > > > > location
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > allows you to weather this viral storms ...
> > > > > > > Missed you all, Krimel included.
> > > > > > > Adrie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <
> Scribe at club-hub.com
> > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Matt,
> > > > > > > > Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old 
> > > > > > > > day on the
> > > > > MoQ.
> > > > > > In
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few 
> > > > > > > > reflection
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > past
> > > > > > > > do these days.
> > > > > > > > I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my 
> > > > > > > > true
> > > name,
> > > > > > > which I
> > > > > > > > thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate 
> > > > > > > > school in
> > > > > > > communication
> > > > > > > > but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a 
> > > > > > > > master's,
> > > mostly
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught 
> > > > > > > > Psychology but
> > > also
> > > > > > > classes
> > > > > > > > in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and 
> > > > > > > > spent
> > > > couple
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had 
> > > > > > > > similar plans
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > but they have been delayed...
> > > > > > > > There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ.
> > > > > > > > When I
> > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of 
> > > > > > > > writing a
> > > day
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It 
> > > > > > > > was too
> > > > > focused,
> > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I 
> > > > > > > > wrote a lot
> > > for
> > > > > > > > graduate
> > > > > > > > school but it was not for fun and other than being an 
> > > > > > > > asshole on
> > > > > > > Facebook I
> > > > > > > > don't do it much these days.
> > > > > > > > Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most 
> > > > > > > > of you,
> > > > > > fiercely.
> > > > > > > > Krimel
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Moq_Discuss 
> > > > > > > > <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > > > Kundert
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM
> > > > > > > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's been three years since I've checked this email and 
> > > > > > > > five
> > > since
> > > > I
> > > > > > > wrote
> > > > > > > > to the listserve.  I was just talking to a friend, 
> > > > > > > > outside,
> > > > > > > > 8
> > > feet
> > > > > > away,
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM.
> > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > chatted a
> > > > > > > > little while about it, and am going to give her one of 
> > > > > > > > the many
> > > > > copies
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > still have squirreled away.  I haven't read it since I 
> > > > > > > > taught it
> > > in
> > > > > > 2014,
> > > > > > > > but I still think it is one of the most remarkably 
> > > > > > > > structured
> > > > books.
> > > > > > > I've
> > > > > > > > been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and 
> > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > responsiveness
> > > > > > > > is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture.
> > > > > > > > The
> > > real
> > > > > > > > nostalgia
> > > > > > > > I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any 
> > > > > > > > of my
> > > old
> > > > > > > friends
> > > > > > > > and interlocutors who still receive these emails.  I 
> > > > > > > > still feel
> > > > that
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > > participation many years ago was integral to my 
> > > > > > > > intellectual and
> > > > > > > stylistic
> > > > > > > > growth.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope everyone is well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > > > Former Apostate
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