[MD] Future of MOQ

Joshua Lesser imoq.lesszen at gmail.com
Fri May 22 23:08:11 PDT 2020


Wow, Doug! That’s really cool. I’d love to read your book. & yeah, I also work on end of life services as activity director and music therapist in nursing homes. I’m also training as a death doula. I’m sure your wife has some Quality ideas I could benefit from. Feel free to msg me on FB I’d love to learn more!

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>   1. Re: The future of MOQ? (Ant McWatt)
>   2. Re: The future of MOQ? (Jan Andersson)
>   3. Zen and The Art of Dying (doug.bates at pyrrhonism.org)
>   4. Re: Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 21 (Joshua Lesser)
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> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:54:16 +0000
> From: Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
> To: "moq_discuss at moqtalk.org" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
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> And thinking of comedy... I've been catching-up with this guy recently.  On the whole, very high quality material IMHO.  This relatively short clip concerns the concept of TIME:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI
> [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.Z5LIJPdO_ccaDSNTtTMBSQEsDh&pid=Api]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI>
> Dave Allen - "Teaching Your Kid Time" - '93 - stereo HQ<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI>
> A classic standup bit from the veteran comic. After 35 years, his timing and delivery were perfect. Watch a master at work...
> www.youtube.com
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
> Sent: 22 May 2020 21:13
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
> 
> LOL!
> 
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> 
> Hello dear qualified friends,
> 
> Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go from here?
> 
> As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book is a vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. I refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for criticism before publication.
> 
> Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping me maintain my goodness.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Josh
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 00:29:34 +0200
> From: Jan Andersson <jananderses at telia.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
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> Ha ha, gave me a good laugh. Thanks a lot! It seems like the english language still lack some understandable words with no cross-purposes, suitable for new persons.
> 
> But if we are going to discuss time and the future, MOQ related, I think we could all start at reading an essay called ?The MOQ and Time? written by Dr Anthony McWatt. Is there any link to this Ant?
> 
> I myself are just fascinated by looking at water: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JutML8qjPps <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JutML8qjPps>
> It is quite inspiring to watch the movement of water.
> 
> Time is real. It?s not only defined by Thermodynamics or MOQ.
> 
> Best wishes to you all.
> 
> Jan-Anders
> 
> 
> 
>> 22 maj 2020 x kl. 23:54 skrev Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
>> 
>> And thinking of comedy... I've been catching-up with this guy recently.  On the whole, very high quality material IMHO.  This relatively short clip concerns the concept of TIME:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI
>> [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.Z5LIJPdO_ccaDSNTtTMBSQEsDh&pid=Api]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI>
>> Dave Allen - "Teaching Your Kid Time" - '93 - stereo HQ<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI>
>> A classic standup bit from the veteran comic. After 35 years, his timing and delivery were perfect. Watch a master at work...
>> www.youtube.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
>> Sent: 22 May 2020 21:13
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
>> 
>> LOL!
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Hello dear qualified friends,
>> 
>> Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go from here?
>> 
>> As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book is a vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. I refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for criticism before publication.
>> 
>> Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping me maintain my goodness.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Josh
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> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 19:44:27 -0400
> From: doug.bates at pyrrhonism.org
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> Subject: [MD] Zen and The Art of Dying
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> When I was trying to get my book published the fact that it had a
> chapter devoted to philosophical issues raised in ZAMM did not seem to
> interest any agents or publishers. I finally got it published with a
> small publisher of Buddhist books, because of the large Buddhist angle.
> My book is "Pyrrho's Way: The Ancient Greek Version of Buddhism." It's
> about the Hellenistic philosophy of Pyrrhonism as a self-help approach,
> much like similar titles "How to Be a Stoic", "Aristotle's Way", "How to
> Be an Epicurean."
> 
> My wife, who is a physician who has worked in palliative care, has been
> off-and-on working on a book about dying. There appears to be strong
> interest in the subject, at least as a practical matter. As a
> philosophical matter, I think it would be tough sledding to get
> published.
> 
> Doug Bates
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello dear qualified friends,
> 
> Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go
> from here?
> 
> As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish
> ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book
> is a vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model
> (Ken Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ
> completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center.
> I refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for
> criticism before publication.
> 
> Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping
> me maintain my goodness.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Josh
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 01:55:25 -0400
> From: Joshua Lesser <imoq.lesszen at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 21
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> Dear Dr. Mcwatt and friends,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond, Dr. Mcwatt! I confess to being a
> little star struck!! I still remember buying your MOQ textbook and
> downloading it like a kid on Christmas; printing it off, and putting it
> under my pillow.  As you are, to my knowledge, the only person on earth to
> hold a terminal degree in the field to which i aspire to be a member, I'm
> humbled and aghast to think I may have offended you. Please accept my
> sincere apology if I said something improper. I wonder if my sloppily
> worded "Is this the end" question, which was in reference to the lack of
> activity of our discussion group, may have done it. Hey, my bad. That
> comment was motivated by nothing more than a love of MOQ and discussing
> life, the universe, and everything through it's framework. It
> certainly wasn't intended as a claim that MOQ is dead and only my book can
> save it, as Im afraid it may have come off.. idk. Quality/MOQ was around
> long before me, and will go on long after I'm dead whether i publish or
> not. Duh.
> 
> Regardless, if the above mentioned is the cause of your laughter or
> something else, I remind you the purpose of my message was simply a request
> to submit my ideas and life's work for your criticism. *Note - it was not a
> request for mockery*  But, hey, as the good Socrates said, "whether rich or
> poor, when sick, to a Dr. you must go!". In other words, I'll take what i
> can get from the only Dr. of Quality in town!
> 
> The reason i write, dear friends of Quality, is bc when Quality/MOQ impacts
> your life the way it has mine, you want to share it. It's possible that the
> only purpose of my life story is to serve as a bad example. But i can
> promise the story won't bore you. Hell, Ill even give you a money back
> guarantee!
> 
> & Dr. Mcwatt, I stopped caring whether people are laughing at me or with me
> long ago, just so long as I can make them smile. One Love, Brother. Shalom
> to your face.
> 
> I will note, however, that Ive wanted to contribute to this forum for,
> basically, decades, except there always seemed to be some fight going on I
> didn't want to get in the middle of keeping me from participation. . For
> me, success is defined not by defeating an enemy, but by turning an enemy
> into a friend. & i wasnt capable of engaging like that until very recently.
> So ive kept my peace. Frankly, if i wasn't at peace, i wouldnt allow myself
> to respond at this time. Bc i think people react to your fundamental
> Quality (or energy) not what you do or say. If i can't say something from a
> perspective of edification, i try not to say it. I hope my words here will
> be received in the spirit in which they are given. Nothing but Love. (Is
> Quality what you like or is it better to say its really what you LOVE) Let
> it be known i formerly had a philosophy of Quality but now i have a
> Philosophy of Love. That's a hill ill die on, proudly.
> 
> It is my hope and only motive for writing that MOQ increases in popularity,
> influence, and most especially debate. If i had 3 wishes, one of them damn
> for sure would be for a vibrant community that debates the fine points of
> Quality into infinity and beyond! Ive savored the discussions on this forum
> and mourn each day my inbox is empty. Has the forum moved somewhere to
> which im ignorant? Or has the dialogue ceased?
> 
> I started a business in Fort Wayne, Indiana called IQ (Integrated Quality)
> Services LLC in 2009 which i closed in 2015 to move to Boulder, CO to work
> and study (Integral Psychology) at Naropa University. The purpose of the
> business was to test postulates of MOQ in the real world. The good news is
> we were wildly successful. & one thing I learned about Quality leadership
> is that sometimes the only way to unite labor is to motivate them against
> management. So if the only way to re-ignite debate on this forum is to get
> everyone criticizing iMOQ im happy to play the fool. So listen up chumps
> (jk jk, my tongue is firmly in my cheeck lol) im taking all comers. & Dr.
> Mcwatt, youre the biggest guy in the room.. soo come at me bro. (in the
> most apatheia sense possible)
> 
> Let's start with something we have in common. The belief that MOQ is better
> at explaining reality than any other framework known to humanity is
> something on which i hope we can agree. As such, I propose that the
> Integral Model, as presented by Ken Wilber, can be re-interpreted through
> the MOQ in a way that clarifies and enhances both theories. Quality is
> fundamental. I take MOQ as the starting point as a tool for understanding
> Integral Theory. So it's misleading to say MOQ has been integrated when the
> proper order is more like the Integral Model has been Qualified. Um. I
> guess. Anyway. Here's my point and opening ante: if such is true, iMOQ has
> a higher Quality than MOQ alone in explanatory power. Yikes! What a bold
> statement bordering on megalomaniacal delusions of grandeur! Who can help
> me see the light? I'm warning you tho.. im extremely dense and possibly not
> worth your time. Probably.
> 
> LOL, indeed!
> 
> Love,
> Josh
> 
> MOQ is DEAD - LONG LIVE MOQ!
> 
> 
> 
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>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:13:21 +0000
>> From: Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
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>> LOL!
>> 
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>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Hello dear qualified friends,
>> 
>> Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go
>> from here?
>> 
>> As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish
>> ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book is a
>> vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken
>> Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ
>> completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. I
>> refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for criticism
>> before publication.
>> 
>> Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping
>> me maintain my goodness.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Josh
>> ________________________________
>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of
>> Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 19 May 2020 20:09
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>> 
>> Yes , indeed , my brother owns the place, and all the machines in it,we can
>> weld,grind, turn, saw , whatever-, we even have an
>> electrical oven to bake some parts, and a sandblaster. I'm still on the
>> scouting for a nice CB 77 or a Yamaha rd 350 lc blue/white,only a matter of
>> time
>> that i will have one,and restore it to a showroomcondition.
>> As an Englishman, i think you have a slight idea about the prices eh?,to
>> give you an idea. A new electronic ignition and condensers,along with the
>> infrared pick-up elements for the TX 500 Yam,=200 euro,
>> a simple camchain joint link, 1 (one)= 70 euro,..a camchain without the
>> joint, 184 euro, a gasket set covering all carters/cranck/cases, the heads
>> and the oilchannels =210 euro;  a kit to get a refit for the oilfilter to
>> make it adapt to modern ones
>> =75 euro,(the old oilfilters are absent, the new have another threading) ,
>> anyway these are the cheap parts. A crankshaft = 2000 euro, a camshaft 800
>> but you need two. We payed 500 euro for the valves and seats only.
>> 
>> And we have others issue's as well.
>> Modern fuel contains alcohol and lacks lead. The old bikes need lead and
>> pure fuel.Almost impossible to get.
>> It is also very difficult to import a motor and have it approved
>> legally,and it is expensive.
>> If a bike has been in a shed for say 40 years,all document for it become
>> valueless.
>> But we like to get our nose in a jerrycan.
>> 
>> Adrie
>> 
>> 
>> Op di 19 mei 2020 om 12:47 schreef Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
>> 
>>> Sounds a very good way to go, Adrie, in these 'times of trouble' with the
>>> motorcycles/bikes and outboard boat engines.   Bet your brother and your
>>> good self are glad that you have that man-cave to work in!  It's also
>> nice
>>> to hear in this 'age of consumerism' that you are both doing good deals
>> on
>>> these (sensibly engine-sized) motorbikes/cycles.  I know where I'm going
>> to
>>> order my next 'bike' from!!!
>>> 
>>> Yours, thinking ahead (slightly Dynamically),
>>> 
>>> Ant
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of
>>> Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: 17 May 2020 19:17
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>>> 
>>> The country is Belgium , but my mother was Dutch, and i live on 1 mile of
>>> the Dutch border.
>>> I'm currently working on a TX 500 Yamaha , Ant,i have a little
>>> mancave -garage with my brother and we have 3
>>> bikes on the table right now,i bought a lot of nos parts for the
>>> Yamaha,still in the box tough,..he's not in a hurry ,as he is from 76.
>>> The other is a gsx 55O Suzi, and one Kawa 498 ltd.I do the engines and
>> the
>>> elektricity, my brother paint frame and chrome.
>>> If we sell a bike , mostly it is break even,or we make some bucks not
>> worth
>>> the effort,but we have some Belgian beer to comfort us.
>>> We also restore old outboard engines, Ducati, Evinrude, Honda, two-stroke
>>> and 4 stroke  , longtail/shorttail name it , its there, and the surprise-
>>> they sell like candy,and they make very good money.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Op zo 17 mei 2020 om 20:44 schreef Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
>>> 
>>>> I completely understand Adrie.  The shortage of fresh, clean water for
>>> ALL
>>>> of this world's population is almost certainly more critical than
>> dealing
>>>> with this Corona virus which, of course, could have been handled a lot
>>>> better and more quickly in so many countries.  So, as such, I'm so glad
>>> to
>>>> see the speed camera money in your country (the Netherlands?) going to
>>>> politicians and tax breaks rather than protective clothing for
>>> 'front-line'
>>>> workers...  BTW, anyone around here got any money to pay for my new
>>>> Ferrari's petrol bill?  Running five classic cars & two motorcycles in
>>> this
>>>> day & age is getting a little difficult (though it was a big, big
>> relief
>>> to
>>>> see the oil prices drop like a stone recently)!
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I suppose the world's human population has realised some
>>> fundamental
>>>> East Asian philosophy truths with this virus - the penny's finally
>>> dropping
>>>> that we're all connected in more ways than one.  You could also add the
>>>> issue of climate change; for example, every piece of litter you leave
>> on
>>>> the street, any water or food you waste, any trip you take in your
>>> Ferrari
>>>> (or whatever vehicle 'turns you on') affects EVERYONE and all
>> biological
>>>> patterns on this planet, sooner or later.  It's a hard lesson, a very
>>> hard
>>>> lesson for some, but better to happen now while human beings still
>> have a
>>>> chance to protect the intellectual & social patterns on this planet.
>> The
>>>> MOQ is great in it's own way but how many people understand it and
>> apply
>>>> it? I can preach all I like but the preaching is, at best, only going
>> to
>>>> 'reach' a few thousand people.  My 'guitar' still gently weeps...
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrTMc2i6Lzc
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Finally, loved that last sentence of yours:
>>>> 
>>>> 'It's a burlesque theatre; with drunken clowns on stage.'
>>>> 
>>>> Could have been written by Oscar Wilde IMHO...
>>>> 
>>>> Take care,
>>>> 
>>>> Ant
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of
>>>> Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: 17 May 2020 16:34
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>>>> 
>>>> People do not like critical issues i suppose.Although i'm not a
>> doomsday
>>>> prepper or  a stand up Nostradamus
>>>> that is handing out predictions or possible disasters i am convinced
>> that
>>>> the climate is changing very rapidly,the water is
>>>> not in the possibility to replenish itself  anymore and there is no
>> food
>>> on
>>>> the planet for all of us.
>>>> Some countries are gearing up for war,and some economy's are so debt
>>>> infested that in fact, a war would be the only way out,...
>>>> How far are we away from patterns like say the Weimar republique?
>>>> Printing money all the time bled out Europe, America,Russia,and only
>>> China
>>>> seems to have some cash left,to invest in Africa...
>>>> thoughts?.... roll out--
>>>> 
>>>> I was thinking about the idiots you mentioned , Anthony, as we also
>> have
>>> a
>>>> bunch of them,the only thing they succeeded to arrange
>>>> are speed controls,traject controls,parking fines, you name it , some
>>>> cameras here rake in 300 000 Euro a month , one of them
>>>> takes it a week.....but all that money was not enough to buy some
>>>> protective material for the population.
>>>> Still , they like to take the stand,and lecture others,preferably on an
>>>> international platform like the European parliament, to inform them how
>>>> wrong they are.
>>>> Its a burlesque theather; with drunken clowns on stage.
>>>> 
>>>> Adrie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Op zo 17 mei 2020 om 05:42 schreef Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk
>>> :
>>>> 
>>>>> Interesting times, hey?
>>>>> 
>>>>> As Bill Hicks would say 'It times like this, you see people's (and
>>>>> co(u)ntries) genuine colo(u)rs!' Heh, heh, heh...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fortunately, where I live there's no known Corona Virus infections
>> but
>>> I
>>>>> look around the world and can see quite a difference of Quality in
>> how
>>>> this
>>>>> relatively minor infection (if it had seen off a billion people by
>> this
>>>>> stage - I'd be concerned - it's no where near that...) has been
>>> regarded
>>>> &
>>>>> treated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder which co(u)ntries have had the best policies to deal wirh
>> it?
>>>>> South Korea?   New Zealand?  Sweden?  What's YOUR opinon in this
>>> regard?
>>>>> I know it isn't the US let alone the UK.  In fact it's laughable
>> here
>>> -
>>>> we
>>>>> have some clown in southern England called 'Mr Johnson' thinking
>> he's a
>>>>> prime minister and who got the virus!  LOL!  That made my year (or at
>>>> least
>>>>> a month) comedy-wise.  I love looking at his latest videos now - witb
>>> the
>>>>> sound off and listening to a certain song by RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
>>>> (I'll
>>>>> give you a hint it begins with FU).   More seriously, I wish people
>>> like
>>>>> him & Trump would just go away and retire on Richard Branson's
>>> island...
>>>>> think what Mark Twain said about people wanting to become leaders?!!
>>>>> (Never mind, I had to deal with Punk in the 1970s and the new
>>> Romantics
>>>>> plus the SMITHS & Thatcher in the 1980s so it has been worse).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I leave a final thought for you to ponder... is all this Corona-19
>>>>> infection media blitz simply deflecting the (so-called) general
>> public
>>>> from
>>>>> more critical issues?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards to all; sleep tight,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ant
>>>>> 
>>>>> P.S. Hope you enjoyed your European travels Krimel.  Sorry you felt
>>> Horse
>>>>> & me had betrayed you by revealing your 'real' name.  But 'get real',
>>> do
>>>>> you think anyone is THAT interested?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf
>> of
>>>>> Jan-Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com>
>>>>> Sent: 25 April 2020 20:35
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everyone of you MOQers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Great that this line is still open!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am well, playing my accordion and working on the sequel of Money
>> and
>>>> the
>>>>> Art...
>>>>> 
>>>>> best wishes to
>>>>> you all
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 25 apr. 2020 kl. 21:42 skrev Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Hello old friends,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't
>> sell,
>>>> and
>>>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched
>> precariously
>>>>> close
>>>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my days
>>>>> sitting
>>>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and
>> blue
>>>>>> herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to Zen and
>>> the
>>>>> Art
>>>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by
>>> Salman
>>>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part of
>>> that
>>>>> has
>>>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in
>>> December
>>>>> and
>>>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent on
>>>> killing
>>>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do write
>>> now
>>>>> has
>>>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in
>>> that I
>>>>> am
>>>>>> most likely fooling myself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking,
>>> running,
>>>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and dammit
>>> if
>>>> it
>>>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new and
>>>> old,
>>>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems particularly
>>>>> apropos
>>>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Life is good.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A rip tide is raging
>>>>>> And the life guard is away
>>>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today
>>>>>> The ocean doesn't want me today
>>>>>> (Tom Waits)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger <
>>> parser666 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. ,in
>>> the
>>>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i had
>> to
>>>> do
>>>>> up
>>>>>>> myself (3 yrs work),
>>>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went
>>>>> silent.Probably i
>>>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked anymore,
>>> nor
>>>>> did i
>>>>>>> hear anything.
>>>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt.
>>>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my bicycle
>>>>> daily,
>>>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now.
>>>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and with
>>> the
>>>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the Netherlands,
>>> but
>>>>> have
>>>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays.
>>>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are
>>> patrolling
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for now
>> is
>>>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and
>>>>>>> just sit over there , on some distance from each other. Its our
>>>> personal
>>>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a
>> location
>>>> that
>>>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ...
>>>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included.
>>>>>>> Adrie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day on the
>>>> MoQ.
>>>>> In
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few reflection
>> on
>>>> the
>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>> do these days.
>>>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my true
>> name,
>>>>>>> which I
>>>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school in
>>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's,
>> mostly
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology but
>> also
>>>>>>> classes
>>>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and spent
>>> couple
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar plans
>>>> this
>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>> but they have been delayed...
>>>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. When I
>>>> entered
>>>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of writing a
>> day
>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was too
>>>> focused,
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a lot
>> for
>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an asshole on
>>>>>>> Facebook I
>>>>>>>> don't do it much these days.
>>>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of you,
>>>>> fiercely.
>>>>>>>> Krimel
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On
>>> Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>> Kundert
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM
>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five
>> since
>>> I
>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>> to the listserve.  I was just talking to a friend, outside, 8
>> feet
>>>>> away,
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM.  We
>>>>> chatted a
>>>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the many
>>>> copies
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> still have squirreled away.  I haven't read it since I taught it
>> in
>>>>> 2014,
>>>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably structured
>>> books.
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its
>>>>>>> responsiveness
>>>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture.  The
>> real
>>>>>>>> nostalgia
>>>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of my
>> old
>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails.  I still feel
>>> that
>>>> my
>>>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual and
>>>>>>> stylistic
>>>>>>>> growth.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hope everyone is well.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>> Former Apostate
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