[MD] Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 23
Joshua Lesser
imoq.lesszen at gmail.com
Fri May 22 23:22:44 PDT 2020
OMG Dave Allen is hilarious! worthy of whos on first level wit. "The hour
hand is the first hand. The minute hand is the second hand and the third
hand is THE SECOND HAND" LMAOOOOO!
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> From: Joshua Lesser <imoq.lesszen at gmail.com>
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> Wow, Doug! That?s really cool. I?d love to read your book. & yeah, I also
> work on end of life services as activity director and music therapist in
> nursing homes. I?m also training as a death doula. I?m sure your wife has
> some Quality ideas I could benefit from. Feel free to msg me on FB I?d love
> to learn more!
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Re: The future of MOQ? (Ant McWatt)
> > 2. Re: The future of MOQ? (Jan Andersson)
> > 3. Zen and The Art of Dying (doug.bates at pyrrhonism.org)
> > 4. Re: Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 21 (Joshua Lesser)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:54:16 +0000
> > From: Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
> > To: "moq_discuss at moqtalk.org" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> > Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
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> > And thinking of comedy... I've been catching-up with this guy recently.
> On the whole, very high quality material IMHO. This relatively short clip
> concerns the concept of TIME:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI
> > [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.Z5LIJPdO_ccaDSNTtTMBSQEsDh&pid=Api]<
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI>
> > Dave Allen - "Teaching Your Kid Time" - '93 - stereo HQ<
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI>
> > A classic standup bit from the veteran comic. After 35 years, his timing
> and delivery were perfect. Watch a master at work...
> > www.youtube.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
> > Sent: 22 May 2020 21:13
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> > Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hello dear qualified friends,
> >
> > Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go
> from here?
> >
> > As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish
> ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book is a
> vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken
> Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ
> completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. I
> refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for criticism
> before publication.
> >
> > Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping
> me maintain my goodness.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Josh
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 00:29:34 +0200
> > From: Jan Andersson <jananderses at telia.com>
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
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> > Ha ha, gave me a good laugh. Thanks a lot! It seems like the english
> language still lack some understandable words with no cross-purposes,
> suitable for new persons.
> >
> > But if we are going to discuss time and the future, MOQ related, I think
> we could all start at reading an essay called ?The MOQ and Time? written by
> Dr Anthony McWatt. Is there any link to this Ant?
> >
> > I myself are just fascinated by looking at water:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JutML8qjPps <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JutML8qjPps>
> > It is quite inspiring to watch the movement of water.
> >
> > Time is real. It?s not only defined by Thermodynamics or MOQ.
> >
> > Best wishes to you all.
> >
> > Jan-Anders
> >
> >
> >
> >> 22 maj 2020 x kl. 23:54 skrev Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
> >>
> >> And thinking of comedy... I've been catching-up with this guy
> recently. On the whole, very high quality material IMHO. This relatively
> short clip concerns the concept of TIME:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI
> >> [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.Z5LIJPdO_ccaDSNTtTMBSQEsDh&pid=Api]<
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI>
> >> Dave Allen - "Teaching Your Kid Time" - '93 - stereo HQ<
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI>
> >> A classic standup bit from the veteran comic. After 35 years, his
> timing and delivery were perfect. Watch a master at work...
> >> www.youtube.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
> >> Sent: 22 May 2020 21:13
> >> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [MD] The future of MOQ?
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Hello dear qualified friends,
> >>
> >> Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we
> go from here?
> >>
> >> As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish
> ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book is a
> vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken
> Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ
> completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center. I
> refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for criticism
> before publication.
> >>
> >> Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for
> helping me maintain my goodness.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 19:44:27 -0400
> > From: doug.bates at pyrrhonism.org
> > To: moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org
> > Subject: [MD] Zen and The Art of Dying
> > Message-ID: <c2d035f9fed7e83d3d8303e478fffb89 at pyrrhonism.org>
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> >
> > When I was trying to get my book published the fact that it had a
> > chapter devoted to philosophical issues raised in ZAMM did not seem to
> > interest any agents or publishers. I finally got it published with a
> > small publisher of Buddhist books, because of the large Buddhist angle.
> > My book is "Pyrrho's Way: The Ancient Greek Version of Buddhism." It's
> > about the Hellenistic philosophy of Pyrrhonism as a self-help approach,
> > much like similar titles "How to Be a Stoic", "Aristotle's Way", "How to
> > Be an Epicurean."
> >
> > My wife, who is a physician who has worked in palliative care, has been
> > off-and-on working on a book about dying. There appears to be strong
> > interest in the subject, at least as a practical matter. As a
> > philosophical matter, I think it would be tough sledding to get
> > published.
> >
> > Doug Bates
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hello dear qualified friends,
> >
> > Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go
> > from here?
> >
> > As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish
> > ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book
> > is a vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model
> > (Ken Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ
> > completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the center.
> > I refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for
> > criticism before publication.
> >
> > Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping
> > me maintain my goodness.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 01:55:25 -0400
> > From: Joshua Lesser <imoq.lesszen at gmail.com>
> > To: moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 148, Issue 21
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Dear Dr. Mcwatt and friends,
> >
> > Thank you for taking the time to respond, Dr. Mcwatt! I confess to being
> a
> > little star struck!! I still remember buying your MOQ textbook and
> > downloading it like a kid on Christmas; printing it off, and putting it
> > under my pillow. As you are, to my knowledge, the only person on earth
> to
> > hold a terminal degree in the field to which i aspire to be a member, I'm
> > humbled and aghast to think I may have offended you. Please accept my
> > sincere apology if I said something improper. I wonder if my sloppily
> > worded "Is this the end" question, which was in reference to the lack of
> > activity of our discussion group, may have done it. Hey, my bad. That
> > comment was motivated by nothing more than a love of MOQ and discussing
> > life, the universe, and everything through it's framework. It
> > certainly wasn't intended as a claim that MOQ is dead and only my book
> can
> > save it, as Im afraid it may have come off.. idk. Quality/MOQ was around
> > long before me, and will go on long after I'm dead whether i publish or
> > not. Duh.
> >
> > Regardless, if the above mentioned is the cause of your laughter or
> > something else, I remind you the purpose of my message was simply a
> request
> > to submit my ideas and life's work for your criticism. *Note - it was
> not a
> > request for mockery* But, hey, as the good Socrates said, "whether rich
> or
> > poor, when sick, to a Dr. you must go!". In other words, I'll take what i
> > can get from the only Dr. of Quality in town!
> >
> > The reason i write, dear friends of Quality, is bc when Quality/MOQ
> impacts
> > your life the way it has mine, you want to share it. It's possible that
> the
> > only purpose of my life story is to serve as a bad example. But i can
> > promise the story won't bore you. Hell, Ill even give you a money back
> > guarantee!
> >
> > & Dr. Mcwatt, I stopped caring whether people are laughing at me or with
> me
> > long ago, just so long as I can make them smile. One Love, Brother.
> Shalom
> > to your face.
> >
> > I will note, however, that Ive wanted to contribute to this forum for,
> > basically, decades, except there always seemed to be some fight going on
> I
> > didn't want to get in the middle of keeping me from participation. . For
> > me, success is defined not by defeating an enemy, but by turning an enemy
> > into a friend. & i wasnt capable of engaging like that until very
> recently.
> > So ive kept my peace. Frankly, if i wasn't at peace, i wouldnt allow
> myself
> > to respond at this time. Bc i think people react to your fundamental
> > Quality (or energy) not what you do or say. If i can't say something
> from a
> > perspective of edification, i try not to say it. I hope my words here
> will
> > be received in the spirit in which they are given. Nothing but Love. (Is
> > Quality what you like or is it better to say its really what you LOVE)
> Let
> > it be known i formerly had a philosophy of Quality but now i have a
> > Philosophy of Love. That's a hill ill die on, proudly.
> >
> > It is my hope and only motive for writing that MOQ increases in
> popularity,
> > influence, and most especially debate. If i had 3 wishes, one of them
> damn
> > for sure would be for a vibrant community that debates the fine points of
> > Quality into infinity and beyond! Ive savored the discussions on this
> forum
> > and mourn each day my inbox is empty. Has the forum moved somewhere to
> > which im ignorant? Or has the dialogue ceased?
> >
> > I started a business in Fort Wayne, Indiana called IQ (Integrated
> Quality)
> > Services LLC in 2009 which i closed in 2015 to move to Boulder, CO to
> work
> > and study (Integral Psychology) at Naropa University. The purpose of the
> > business was to test postulates of MOQ in the real world. The good news
> is
> > we were wildly successful. & one thing I learned about Quality leadership
> > is that sometimes the only way to unite labor is to motivate them against
> > management. So if the only way to re-ignite debate on this forum is to
> get
> > everyone criticizing iMOQ im happy to play the fool. So listen up chumps
> > (jk jk, my tongue is firmly in my cheeck lol) im taking all comers. & Dr.
> > Mcwatt, youre the biggest guy in the room.. soo come at me bro. (in the
> > most apatheia sense possible)
> >
> > Let's start with something we have in common. The belief that MOQ is
> better
> > at explaining reality than any other framework known to humanity is
> > something on which i hope we can agree. As such, I propose that the
> > Integral Model, as presented by Ken Wilber, can be re-interpreted through
> > the MOQ in a way that clarifies and enhances both theories. Quality is
> > fundamental. I take MOQ as the starting point as a tool for understanding
> > Integral Theory. So it's misleading to say MOQ has been integrated when
> the
> > proper order is more like the Integral Model has been Qualified. Um. I
> > guess. Anyway. Here's my point and opening ante: if such is true, iMOQ
> has
> > a higher Quality than MOQ alone in explanatory power. Yikes! What a bold
> > statement bordering on megalomaniacal delusions of grandeur! Who can help
> > me see the light? I'm warning you tho.. im extremely dense and possibly
> not
> > worth your time. Probably.
> >
> > LOL, indeed!
> >
> > Love,
> > Josh
> >
> > MOQ is DEAD - LONG LIVE MOQ!
> >
> >
> >
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> >> 1. Re: The future of MOQ? (Ant McWatt)
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:13:21 +0000
> >> From: Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
> >> To: "moq_discuss at moqtalk.org" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
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> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Hello dear qualified friends,
> >>
> >> Question. What is the future of Quality. Is this the end? Where do we go
> >> from here?
> >>
> >> As for me, after 25 years of fear and trembling, I am hoping to publish
> >> ?Zen and the Art of Dying? (an inquiry into Faith) this year. The book
> is a
> >> vehicle for many ideas, mostly why I believe the Integral model (Ken
> >> Wilber) and MOQ are pointing to the same truth. An ?integrated? MOQ
> >> completes the framework Pirsig presented; keeping Quality at the
> center. I
> >> refer to it as iMOQ. And I?d love to present the ideas here for
> criticism
> >> before publication.
> >>
> >> Hoping you are up for the discussion; that is if you?re down for helping
> >> me maintain my goodness.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Josh
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of
> >> Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: 19 May 2020 20:09
> >> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> >>
> >> Yes , indeed , my brother owns the place, and all the machines in it,we
> can
> >> weld,grind, turn, saw , whatever-, we even have an
> >> electrical oven to bake some parts, and a sandblaster. I'm still on the
> >> scouting for a nice CB 77 or a Yamaha rd 350 lc blue/white,only a
> matter of
> >> time
> >> that i will have one,and restore it to a showroomcondition.
> >> As an Englishman, i think you have a slight idea about the prices eh?,to
> >> give you an idea. A new electronic ignition and condensers,along with
> the
> >> infrared pick-up elements for the TX 500 Yam,=200 euro,
> >> a simple camchain joint link, 1 (one)= 70 euro,..a camchain without the
> >> joint, 184 euro, a gasket set covering all carters/cranck/cases, the
> heads
> >> and the oilchannels =210 euro; a kit to get a refit for the oilfilter
> to
> >> make it adapt to modern ones
> >> =75 euro,(the old oilfilters are absent, the new have another
> threading) ,
> >> anyway these are the cheap parts. A crankshaft = 2000 euro, a camshaft
> 800
> >> but you need two. We payed 500 euro for the valves and seats only.
> >>
> >> And we have others issue's as well.
> >> Modern fuel contains alcohol and lacks lead. The old bikes need lead and
> >> pure fuel.Almost impossible to get.
> >> It is also very difficult to import a motor and have it approved
> >> legally,and it is expensive.
> >> If a bike has been in a shed for say 40 years,all document for it become
> >> valueless.
> >> But we like to get our nose in a jerrycan.
> >>
> >> Adrie
> >>
> >>
> >> Op di 19 mei 2020 om 12:47 schreef Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk
> >:
> >>
> >>> Sounds a very good way to go, Adrie, in these 'times of trouble' with
> the
> >>> motorcycles/bikes and outboard boat engines. Bet your brother and
> your
> >>> good self are glad that you have that man-cave to work in! It's also
> >> nice
> >>> to hear in this 'age of consumerism' that you are both doing good deals
> >> on
> >>> these (sensibly engine-sized) motorbikes/cycles. I know where I'm
> going
> >> to
> >>> order my next 'bike' from!!!
> >>>
> >>> Yours, thinking ahead (slightly Dynamically),
> >>>
> >>> Ant
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of
> >>> Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: 17 May 2020 19:17
> >>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> >>>
> >>> The country is Belgium , but my mother was Dutch, and i live on 1 mile
> of
> >>> the Dutch border.
> >>> I'm currently working on a TX 500 Yamaha , Ant,i have a little
> >>> mancave -garage with my brother and we have 3
> >>> bikes on the table right now,i bought a lot of nos parts for the
> >>> Yamaha,still in the box tough,..he's not in a hurry ,as he is from 76.
> >>> The other is a gsx 55O Suzi, and one Kawa 498 ltd.I do the engines and
> >> the
> >>> elektricity, my brother paint frame and chrome.
> >>> If we sell a bike , mostly it is break even,or we make some bucks not
> >> worth
> >>> the effort,but we have some Belgian beer to comfort us.
> >>> We also restore old outboard engines, Ducati, Evinrude, Honda,
> two-stroke
> >>> and 4 stroke , longtail/shorttail name it , its there, and the
> surprise-
> >>> they sell like candy,and they make very good money.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Op zo 17 mei 2020 om 20:44 schreef Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk
> >:
> >>>
> >>>> I completely understand Adrie. The shortage of fresh, clean water for
> >>> ALL
> >>>> of this world's population is almost certainly more critical than
> >> dealing
> >>>> with this Corona virus which, of course, could have been handled a lot
> >>>> better and more quickly in so many countries. So, as such, I'm so
> glad
> >>> to
> >>>> see the speed camera money in your country (the Netherlands?) going to
> >>>> politicians and tax breaks rather than protective clothing for
> >>> 'front-line'
> >>>> workers... BTW, anyone around here got any money to pay for my new
> >>>> Ferrari's petrol bill? Running five classic cars & two motorcycles in
> >>> this
> >>>> day & age is getting a little difficult (though it was a big, big
> >> relief
> >>> to
> >>>> see the oil prices drop like a stone recently)!
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I suppose the world's human population has realised some
> >>> fundamental
> >>>> East Asian philosophy truths with this virus - the penny's finally
> >>> dropping
> >>>> that we're all connected in more ways than one. You could also add
> the
> >>>> issue of climate change; for example, every piece of litter you leave
> >> on
> >>>> the street, any water or food you waste, any trip you take in your
> >>> Ferrari
> >>>> (or whatever vehicle 'turns you on') affects EVERYONE and all
> >> biological
> >>>> patterns on this planet, sooner or later. It's a hard lesson, a very
> >>> hard
> >>>> lesson for some, but better to happen now while human beings still
> >> have a
> >>>> chance to protect the intellectual & social patterns on this planet.
> >> The
> >>>> MOQ is great in it's own way but how many people understand it and
> >> apply
> >>>> it? I can preach all I like but the preaching is, at best, only going
> >> to
> >>>> 'reach' a few thousand people. My 'guitar' still gently weeps...
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrTMc2i6Lzc
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally, loved that last sentence of yours:
> >>>>
> >>>> 'It's a burlesque theatre; with drunken clowns on stage.'
> >>>>
> >>>> Could have been written by Oscar Wilde IMHO...
> >>>>
> >>>> Take care,
> >>>>
> >>>> Ant
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf
> of
> >>>> Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: 17 May 2020 16:34
> >>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> >>>>
> >>>> People do not like critical issues i suppose.Although i'm not a
> >> doomsday
> >>>> prepper or a stand up Nostradamus
> >>>> that is handing out predictions or possible disasters i am convinced
> >> that
> >>>> the climate is changing very rapidly,the water is
> >>>> not in the possibility to replenish itself anymore and there is no
> >> food
> >>> on
> >>>> the planet for all of us.
> >>>> Some countries are gearing up for war,and some economy's are so debt
> >>>> infested that in fact, a war would be the only way out,...
> >>>> How far are we away from patterns like say the Weimar republique?
> >>>> Printing money all the time bled out Europe, America,Russia,and only
> >>> China
> >>>> seems to have some cash left,to invest in Africa...
> >>>> thoughts?.... roll out--
> >>>>
> >>>> I was thinking about the idiots you mentioned , Anthony, as we also
> >> have
> >>> a
> >>>> bunch of them,the only thing they succeeded to arrange
> >>>> are speed controls,traject controls,parking fines, you name it , some
> >>>> cameras here rake in 300 000 Euro a month , one of them
> >>>> takes it a week.....but all that money was not enough to buy some
> >>>> protective material for the population.
> >>>> Still , they like to take the stand,and lecture others,preferably on
> an
> >>>> international platform like the European parliament, to inform them
> how
> >>>> wrong they are.
> >>>> Its a burlesque theather; with drunken clowns on stage.
> >>>>
> >>>> Adrie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Op zo 17 mei 2020 om 05:42 schreef Ant McWatt <
> antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk
> >>> :
> >>>>
> >>>>> Interesting times, hey?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As Bill Hicks would say 'It times like this, you see people's (and
> >>>>> co(u)ntries) genuine colo(u)rs!' Heh, heh, heh...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fortunately, where I live there's no known Corona Virus infections
> >> but
> >>> I
> >>>>> look around the world and can see quite a difference of Quality in
> >> how
> >>>> this
> >>>>> relatively minor infection (if it had seen off a billion people by
> >> this
> >>>>> stage - I'd be concerned - it's no where near that...) has been
> >>> regarded
> >>>> &
> >>>>> treated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wonder which co(u)ntries have had the best policies to deal wirh
> >> it?
> >>>>> South Korea? New Zealand? Sweden? What's YOUR opinon in this
> >>> regard?
> >>>>> I know it isn't the US let alone the UK. In fact it's laughable
> >> here
> >>> -
> >>>> we
> >>>>> have some clown in southern England called 'Mr Johnson' thinking
> >> he's a
> >>>>> prime minister and who got the virus! LOL! That made my year (or at
> >>>> least
> >>>>> a month) comedy-wise. I love looking at his latest videos now - witb
> >>> the
> >>>>> sound off and listening to a certain song by RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
> >>>> (I'll
> >>>>> give you a hint it begins with FU). More seriously, I wish people
> >>> like
> >>>>> him & Trump would just go away and retire on Richard Branson's
> >>> island...
> >>>>> think what Mark Twain said about people wanting to become leaders?!!
> >>>>> (Never mind, I had to deal with Punk in the 1970s and the new
> >>> Romantics
> >>>>> plus the SMITHS & Thatcher in the 1980s so it has been worse).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I leave a final thought for you to ponder... is all this Corona-19
> >>>>> infection media blitz simply deflecting the (so-called) general
> >> public
> >>>> from
> >>>>> more critical issues?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards to all; sleep tight,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ant
> >>>>>
> >>>>> P.S. Hope you enjoyed your European travels Krimel. Sorry you felt
> >>> Horse
> >>>>> & me had betrayed you by revealing your 'real' name. But 'get real',
> >>> do
> >>>>> you think anyone is THAT interested?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf
> >> of
> >>>>> Jan-Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com>
> >>>>> Sent: 25 April 2020 20:35
> >>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello everyone of you MOQers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Great that this line is still open!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am well, playing my accordion and working on the sequel of Money
> >> and
> >>>> the
> >>>>> Art...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> best wishes to
> >>>>> you all
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 25 apr. 2020 kl. 21:42 skrev Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?Hello old friends,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't
> >> sell,
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched
> >> precariously
> >>>>> close
> >>>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my days
> >>>>> sitting
> >>>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and
> >> blue
> >>>>>> herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to Zen and
> >>> the
> >>>>> Art
> >>>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by
> >>> Salman
> >>>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part of
> >>> that
> >>>>> has
> >>>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in
> >>> December
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent on
> >>>> killing
> >>>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do write
> >>> now
> >>>>> has
> >>>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in
> >>> that I
> >>>>> am
> >>>>>> most likely fooling myself.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking,
> >>> running,
> >>>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and dammit
> >>> if
> >>>> it
> >>>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new and
> >>>> old,
> >>>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems particularly
> >>>>> apropos
> >>>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Life is good.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A rip tide is raging
> >>>>>> And the life guard is away
> >>>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today
> >>>>>> The ocean doesn't want me today
> >>>>>> (Tom Waits)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger <
> >>> parser666 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. ,in
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i had
> >> to
> >>>> do
> >>>>> up
> >>>>>>> myself (3 yrs work),
> >>>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went
> >>>>> silent.Probably i
> >>>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked anymore,
> >>> nor
> >>>>> did i
> >>>>>>> hear anything.
> >>>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt.
> >>>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my bicycle
> >>>>> daily,
> >>>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now.
> >>>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and with
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the Netherlands,
> >>> but
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays.
> >>>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are
> >>> patrolling
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for now
> >> is
> >>>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and
> >>>>>>> just sit over there , on some distance from each other. Its our
> >>>> personal
> >>>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a
> >> location
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ...
> >>>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included.
> >>>>>>> Adrie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Matt,
> >>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day on the
> >>>> MoQ.
> >>>>> In
> >>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few reflection
> >> on
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> past
> >>>>>>>> do these days.
> >>>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my true
> >> name,
> >>>>>>> which I
> >>>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school in
> >>>>>>> communication
> >>>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's,
> >> mostly
> >>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology but
> >> also
> >>>>>>> classes
> >>>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and spent
> >>> couple
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar plans
> >>>> this
> >>>>>>> year
> >>>>>>>> but they have been delayed...
> >>>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. When I
> >>>> entered
> >>>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of writing a
> >> day
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was too
> >>>> focused,
> >>>>>>> too
> >>>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a lot
> >> for
> >>>>>>>> graduate
> >>>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an asshole on
> >>>>>>> Facebook I
> >>>>>>>> don't do it much these days.
> >>>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of you,
> >>>>> fiercely.
> >>>>>>>> Krimel
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On
> >>> Behalf
> >>>> Of
> >>>>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>>> Kundert
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five
> >> since
> >>> I
> >>>>>>> wrote
> >>>>>>>> to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, outside, 8
> >> feet
> >>>>> away,
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM. We
> >>>>> chatted a
> >>>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the many
> >>>> copies
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>>>> still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I taught it
> >> in
> >>>>> 2014,
> >>>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably structured
> >>> books.
> >>>>>>> I've
> >>>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its
> >>>>>>> responsiveness
> >>>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture. The
> >> real
> >>>>>>>> nostalgia
> >>>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of my
> >> old
> >>>>>>> friends
> >>>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails. I still feel
> >>> that
> >>>> my
> >>>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual and
> >>>>>>> stylistic
> >>>>>>>> growth.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I hope everyone is well.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>>> Former Apostate
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