[MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends

Sun May 10 06:42:43 PDT 2020

Hello , Krimel.

Yes, we have many parks here , although small and well hidden that are
basically still the real event  they were in their period of time.
We have a park here in Belgium called Bokrijk, full of beech trees from the
early medieval period,and oaks that can talk history..;
but in ww1 and ww2 our German neighbours here took over the park and stole
many of the trees to make  gunstocks, and mainly
the black walnut fell aprey to that event, which is also the reason we
don't have many walnut trees left in Belgium that are older than
either ww1 or ww2-/, but they left the oaks and beeches.That specific park
was themed long ago, to harbor all old farms in Belgium
that had to disappear from the countryside , due to urbanisation. The
people behind the project took them all down, to reassemble them
exactly in their original state,with the old beams and reed roofing intact,
yes, like they were, they also took all the pictures before and
after the operation.They also own and are in the possession of all the old
deeds.It became a small village belonging to the middle ages.
It survived the German invasions and can be visited,..there is no
Disnification,no Barnumised advertising, you cannot buy a hamburger from
Mc Donalds,;.even the flowers in the old gardens are relicts from old
convents, old castle's and are very rare , some of them only surviving
in the park as an endling...
However we can say the whole event is ex-situ, and today it is not allowed
anymore to preserve ex-situ; they only do project nowadays
in-situ.So if you want to have the real look and feel of an old Dutch barn,
along with the smell--,have your go.Here they are bading in their aura.
https://www.bokrijk.be/en/about-bokrijk/organization/history-of-origin

And another,this one tops Keukenhof easily, and empress Charlotte really
lived in the castle, and died there,it is not a theme park, but has all the
plants from the Congo, and
places that do not exist anymore.Its better than Kew gardens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meise_Botanic_Garden

And , one of the worlds finest,the royal serres.
https://www.google.com/search?q=koninklijke+serres+te+laken&sxsrf=ALeKk00YYVqGJljlT512POw04Tx8uK7vlw:1589118001061&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMhdbvtanpAhWEsKQKHc40DmMQ_AUoAXoECBMQAw&biw=1920&bih=1089

I'm very interested in your American parks and the area's you and Dan are
talking about, and it is a certainty that i will visit the bulk of them in
the near future,altough corona will have a part in the story obviously.
Thinking about what you wrote, Krimel , one of the differences you mention
on the European/America approach is very well known here,
americans like to drive their
pimped-chromed-pertol-guzzling-compressed-hemi  truck up to the nose of the
bison,up to the nose of the bear,..
And that is VERY different from our approach, or even the approach of Ansel
Adams, when he took his most famous pictures in the parks.
I know his work very well, i used to have a big collection of Leica's and
Nikkormat's, and Rolleiflexes.His zoning system set me on track to
fotografie.The main reason his signed prints are so expensive, is that he
not only signed them, he made each and every reproduction that is
signed by himself in the darkroom on what we call here Barietpapier;
priceless,and utter beauty made by man, but derived from a nature
that is brutally beautiful...I still have an old Olympus om/2 in working
order,i still use it.The Rollei's and Leica's are sold long ago,....

Have to go now,..
Adrie

Op zo 10 mei 2020 om 01:52 schreef Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com>:

> Adrie,
> My wife and I were there, as I think I mentioned, at this time last year. I
> recognized some of the places in the footage you provided. It really is a
> beautiful place. One of the things I loved about touring Europe is that so
> much recreation centers around real things. Real parks, real castles, Roman
> ruins; things American tourists are content to see branded and
> approximated.
> Was it Rod Stewart who said, "A nod is as good as a wink to a blind
> horse."?
> Or the difference between "gingerbread and phony smokestacks" and a real
> steamer, to a woman on the verge of a psychotic break.
> It is that inability to discern quality in the things around us. That
> essence the emanates from something like a work of art as what Walter
> Benjamin called an aura. That indefinable something that makes Van Gogh's
> actual painting, "Sun Flowers" special while a reproduction from the museum
> gift shop, not so much. For Benjamin this aura is part a quality of the
> thing in itself and part our understanding of its status as an original
> work
> of art. Writing in just before WWII he feared that the mechanical
> reproduction of art would kill art's aura. Or as Pirsig might claim the
> dynamic quality of a piece of art dwindles with not only repletion but
> replication. I just found a signed Ansel Adams poster for $1,600. A whole
> calendar full of his prints is $15.99 on Amazon. Does the ink of his
> signature create an aura for a mechanical reproduction?
> I don't know the answer but a culture that can't even ask the question, and
> instead pretends a pretty surface is all that matters and all that glitters
> really is gold, such a people have, as Lao Tzu says, "Lost the Way."
> I'm pretty sure The Way of Justice should be open to everyone but it isn't;
> and never has been. Religious, sexual and racial labels, plaster us all
> gingerbread and phony smokestacks. We are blind horses, settling for gift
> shop prints, or Ansel Adams Calendars instead of creating our own art with
> its own aura.
> I don't know...
> Krimel
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of
> Adrie
> Kintziger
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:34 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>
> This is an aside for Krimel,but also for you Dan.
> Due to the corona-lockdown the Keukenhof had to close down
> completely,altough the flower bulbs were planted, and new species were
> fully
> blooming......so they took some advantage of the absense of spectators, to
> make some magnificent footage-,
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzrxNbiaFaE
>
> Op wo 6 mei 2020 om 22:24 schreef Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>
> > Hello Krimel,
> >
> > The St. Johns is one of only two rivers in the world that flows south
> > to north, though in reality the flow is reversed twice a day due to
> > the incoming or outgoing tides. Here on the canal the waterline goes
> > up and down according to not only the sun and moon but the wind, which
> > if from the northeast can push the ocean water up the river and raise
> > the water level here a good four or five feet. Yes, I could put the
> > boat in behind my house and sail all the way to the Caribbean or even
> farther.
> >
> > I too remember seeing 'colored only' and 'white only' signs over
> > drinking fountains and restaurant doors not all that long ago in the
> > south. And the schools up north may as well still be segregated what
> > with how county tax rates are designed to drive the poorer
> > constituents to live in areas specifically reserved for them, so
> > certain schools are invariably either all white or all black. Of
> > course this is done on a wink-wink basis which is probably even more
> insidious than overt racism.
> >
> > I remember my father and step mother were fervent George Wallace
> > supporters. It wasn't until years later that I learned what the man
> > stood for, and how they, my dad and his wife, must have known that
> > even if I didn't. When a person grows up in that type of environment
> > they are like fish who when asked, wonder: what water? But we can
> > grow. Evolve. So there is no excuse to continue in that way of
> > thinking. I have a brother and a step brother who are still racists and
> bigots, filled with hate and fear.
> > We rarely if ever talk, haven't for years. Sad? Yes. But life is too
> > short to tolerate the closed-minded.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:12 PM Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd say you nailed it pretty well, Dan.
> > > I guess the more I learn the harder it all becomes to justify or
> > > excuse
> > it
> > > all. By the 1930s thousands of African Americans had been lynched in
> > > a
> > 100
> > > year campaign of state sponsored terrorism. During the 1930's Sons
> > > and Daughters of the Confederacy erected statues and monuments
> > > around courthouses and public places as reminders of who was really in
> charge.
> > > Neither uppitiness nor any assertion of constitutional rights was
> > tolerated
> > > among those deemed unworthy. As a kid I saw Whites or Colored Only
> > > signs over water fountains and restrooms. Public schools and many
> > > restaurants were segregated until my senior year in high school. As
> > > a small town newspaper reporter in the 70s I interviewed George
> > > Wallace as he ran for president from a wheelchair.
> > > As Dan so eloquently suggests, race remains a stain on our national
> soul.
> > >
> > > An interesting spot you've picked there Dan. I don't get to that
> > > area, ever, but the access to the St. John is very nice. It would
> > > make a very
> > Pirsigian
> > > epic journey to travel it. You can get all the way to South Florida
> > > and
> > out
> > > into the Caribbean, can't you? You thinking along those lines. I
> > > could maybe meet you around Lake Kissimmee in the After Life.
> > > Krimel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf
> > > Of
> > Dan
> > > Glover
> > > Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 9:14 PM
> > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> > >
> > > Hello Adrie,
> > >
> > > The Confederacy lost the war but the idea beneath its foundation, or
> > rather
> > > the social patterns upon which it rests, are as prevalent today as
> > > they were a hundred and fifty years ago. Just so you know, I am not
> > > a southern
> > man. I
> > > was raised in the north. I like to think my views on race and hate
> > > and prejudice are more, how would you put it... evolved. But I am a
> > > white man and as such I realize that I have availed myself, even if
> > > unwittingly,
> > to a
> > > privilege not afforded a person of color in this country.
> > >
> > > I was just listening to a song by Nina Simone (I love Nina Simone)
> > > called Strange Fruit. Billie Holiday also recorded the song though
> > > personally I prefer Nina's version. It was written by  Abel Meeropol
> > > (a Jewish
> > American)
> > > back in the day after he saw a photograph of the lynching of Thomas
> > > Shipp and Abraham Smith which took place in the southern USA in August
> of 1930.
> > > This fear, this hate, this total disregard for human life is what
> > > the Confederate flag represented, and still represents, whether
> > > those who fly it realize that fact or not.
> > >
> > > It would be easy to blame those who hold these views, to label them
> > > as white supremacists, as bigots and racists. But they did not get
> > > that way in a vacuum. The culture in which they came of age
> > > inculcated in those people
> > a
> > > rage against anything that does not conform to their own views. Do I
> > > dislike them on a personal level? Yes. I cannot help it. But my
> > > dislike isn't
> > going
> > > to alter their way of thinking. Not one iota.
> > >
> > > So what's the answer?
> > >
> > > Perhaps to live in their world without being part of that world. If
> > > a neighbor needs a hand fixing a dock, there I am, waist deep in the
> > > canal, helping. Maybe their mower isn't working and their yard's
> > > gotten away
> > from
> > > them. I got time to mow it for them on my rider. Could be I'm out
> > > for a walk, I notice a man trimming his trees, and it seems to me he
> > > might
> > need a
> > > hand. I stop and give it. When I look up, there it is. That
> > > Confederate flag flapping in the breeze.
> > >
> > > The one thing I never do is accept an invitation to dinner when the
> > > work
> > is
> > > done, or even sit down for a beer. Our views of the world are so
> > divergent
> > > that all we are going to do is piss each other off. When I look at a
> > > person, I like to think I see that person, not the color of their
> > > skin or their nationality. Then again, I also realize I am part of a
> > > culture that
> > revels
> > > in xenophobia. The tendency to hate those who are not like me is
> > > always there, bubbling and boiling just below the surface.
> > >
> > > Are the poor and uneducated more likely to harbor deep-seated
> prejudices?
> > > Absolutely. And this works both ways, work to create a vicious cycle
> > > of poverty and want that continues generation after generation. So
> > > here in
> > the
> > > US you get inner-city ghettos where most of the inhabitants are
> > > white-hating blacks, and vast series of white suburban villages
> > > where you can drive
> > for
> > > hours without seeing one black person. Still, I think this poverty
> > > has
> > more
> > > to do with absence of empathy than it does with lack of money.
> > >
> > > Anyway.
> > >
> > > It was very warm and sunny here today. I pulled on my hat, grabbed
> > > the camera and tripod, and took the boat out this afternoon though I
> > > am not a fisherman. I can't stand the way they look at me and scream
> > > when you
> > remove
> > > the hook. But I was able to snap some nice photos of a gator I
> > > caught napping with the sunshine on his (her?) shoulders while
> > > perched on an old beach log that was half submerged in the swamp. At
> > > least I assumed it
> > was a
> > > beach tree, what with the squiggles and nonsensical runes written
> > > upon it by beetles boring beneath the bark it once wore.
> > >
> > > I could almost read them.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:47 PM Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi , Dan, you are probably right,about it all to be a matter of
> > > > perspective,and i used some days to reconsider Krimel's toughts,
> > > > along with yours , and took the liberty of downloading "The birth
> > > > Of A Nation", to better understand the scenery Krimel implied with
> > > > the confederate flag story-and to have some of the visual stills
> > > > that are implied in your words.Basically it_is_a matter of
> > > > perspective, but it does not unfold into the eye of the beholder
> > > > if a person is not receptive or pre-occupied.To give you an
> > > > example that there is more to it, there is a program here in
> > > > Belgium on the cable, with Wayne Carini selling cars at Amelia
> Island,
> at auctions there.
> > > > I always watch it , for the scenery, and he is the spitting image
> > > > of my late father.But i know how nice these Island are and here in
> > > > the Netherlands we also have islands like that, called the
> > > > "Waddeneilanden", also with the best beaches in the world and some
> > > > even without cars.Very beautiful,extremely populair as wintering den.
> > > > Also they have a similar stretch of water between them and the
> > > > mainland, full of eddy's and fish and currents.
> > > > I also took the liberty , yesterday to take in some touristic info
> > > > about Amelia Island and its surroundings, on one of the site's
> > > > they had some arrangements specially for military veterans,and
> > > > group discounts if they were to bring their friends ....tought
> > > > back at Krimels line of reasoning with the confederate flags and
> > > > all;....the term blackwater emerged in my mind, and that would not
> > > > have happened without Krimels induction.
> > > >
> > > > So the matter of perspective here,well, if a person, say like
> > > > Krimel , or me or you would have the cash to buy a condo on the
> > > > beach on Amelia or West Palm , probably then, the story would be
> > > > different from the Orange grove's with the smudge pots or the
> phosphate strip mining.
> > > >
> > > > They allowed fishing today again,so i was out with my Bosnian
> > > > friends onto the forest to fish all day and had a great catch, it
> > > > really made my day.
> > > >
> > > > Toughts , Dan?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Op do 30 apr. 2020 om 06:06 schreef Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Krimel,
> > > > >
> > > > > Awesome of you to write, and thanks for the welcome. I am
> > > > > (nearly) a lifelong resident of Chicago where yes, humans have also
> invaded.
> > > > > Like Florida, Chicago sits just a few feet above the water table.
> > > > > But unlike Florida, the winters are brutal. So when the temps
> > > > > here drop way down
> > > > into
> > > > > the 70s and 80s and I need to pull a jacket on, well, I feel I
> > > > > am
> > > > settling
> > > > > in nicely.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many of my neighbors here in the swamp are native Floridians and
> > > > > yes I do see a lot of Confederate flags waving happily in the
> > > > > breeze. We seem to
> > > > get
> > > > > along fine, however, even though I'm that guy who talks sort of
> > > > > funny. On the other hand, I stay far away from the gated
> > > > > communities that tend to proliferate nearer to the cities, like
> > > > > World Golf Village. Not that
> > > > they'd
> > > > > let me in anyhow.
> > > > >
> > > > > For me, Florida is about reinventing yourself. Not purposely,
> > > > > perhaps,
> > > > but
> > > > > more along the lines of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
> > > > > Maintenance where
> > > > the
> > > > > narrator says: The real cycle you're working on is a cycle
> > > > > called
> > > > yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > > I like to think perhaps there are still places in the world
> > > > > where a
> > > > person
> > > > > can do or be anything they want, or even not do or not be
> > > > > anything at all if that's what they want, and maybe this is one
> > > > > of those places. But then again perhaps it is all simply a
> > > > > matter of
> > > perspective.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again for writing,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:56 PM Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dan and Adrie,
> > > > > > As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that)
> > > > > > I can
> > > > > testify
> > > > > > that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan
> > > > > > mentions a
> > > > few,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times
> > > > > > as many
> > > > of
> > > > > > them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There
> > > > > > is a
> > > > serious
> > > > > > infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where
> > > > > > Conservative northerners retire with their Stepford wives to
> > > > > > ride golf carts and complain about being taxed for schools.
> > > > > > Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh
> > > > > Water
> > > > > > Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right
> > > > > > there a
> > > > still
> > > > > > many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from
> > > > > > civilization as native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch,
> > > > > > many are still fighting
> > > > the
> > > > > > Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of
> > > > > > Confederate flags rises exponentially as do cars on blocks,
> > > > > > roofless trailers, bad teeth, body odor, and inbreeding.
> > > > > > And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap.
> > > > > > We
> > > > sweat
> > > > > > from late March through February.
> > > > > > As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a
> > > > > > dead-end road
> > > > > from a
> > > > > > truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to
> > > > > > the groan
> > > > > of
> > > > > > big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes
> > > > > > of black topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house
> > > > > > but now there are hotels on either side of her house, a
> > > > > > McDonalds and Hooter's in her
> > > > back
> > > > > > yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an
> > > > > > interstate
> > > > > at
> > > > > > the other.
> > > > > > There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and
> > > > > > mosquitos usually found a way in through the open screened
> > > > > > windows. We took some grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago
> > > > > > and in the hall of statutes in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone
> > > > > > famous
> > > > or
> > > > > > notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which
> > > > > > drew a big "Huh?"
> > > > > > from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude
> > > > > > who
> > > > invented
> > > > > > Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the
> > > > > > gators,
> > > > > skeeters,
> > > > > > and Seminoles in less than a decade.
> > > > > > As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism
> Commission.
> > > > That
> > > > > > said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot.
> > > > > > We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels,
> > > > Amsterdam,
> > > > > > Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the
> > > > > > Amsterdam
> > > > > airport,
> > > > > > which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > Amsterdam
> > > > > > is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you
> > > > > > could be
> > > > killed
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof.
> > > > > > Beautiful
> > > > places,
> > > > > > and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did
> > > > > > stray a bit
> > > > > into
> > > > > > the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of
> > > nowhere.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of
> > > > > > Ant's graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through
> > > > > > Bozeman and saw
> > > > > the
> > > > > > buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer
> > > > > > museum
> > > > in
> > > > > > Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of
> > > > > > only two signature in the world of Ada Lovelace!
> > > > > > You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has
> > > > > > morphed into
> > > > > full
> > > > > > blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in
> > > > > > today's
> > > > > climate,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > write it off to contagion.
> > > > > > Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe
> > > > > > for a
> > > > > couple
> > > > > > of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a
> > > > > > tour of
> > > > > Greece
> > > > > > in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock
> > > > > > tips from
> > > > the
> > > > > > oracle at Delphi...
> > > > > > It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more
> > > > > > will
> > > > chime
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > and who know what might happen.
> > > > > > Krimel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On
> > > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > Dan
> > > > > > Glover
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM
> > > > > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Adrie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida,
> > > > > > there are
> > > > > still
> > > > > > many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last
> > > > > > summer they
> > > > > had
> > > > > > to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I
> > > > > > live on account of the black bear population growing so much
> > > > > > and possibly posing a
> > > > danger
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > human visitors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are
> > > > > > originally from Europe. Here in Florida there are many
> > > > > > invasive species that seem to
> > > > > find a
> > > > > > niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths
> > > > > > with
> > > > their
> > > > > > thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks
> > > > > > on
> > > > steamers
> > > > > > back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to
> > > > > > Jacksonville in
> > > > a
> > > > > > laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild.
> > > > > > Now they
> > > > > are
> > > > > > everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild
> > > > > > boars that
> > > > grow
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take
> > > > > > the boat
> > > > > out
> > > > > > into the swamps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger
> > > > > > <parser666 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were
> > > > > > > nearly pushed to extinction by the use of some agricultural
> > > > > > > supplements--,there are many apple orchards here , and the
> > > > > > > farmers used Chloormequat for too long.When i was young the
> > > > > > > swallows broke the electricitylines by
> > > > their
> > > > > > > sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared
> > > > > > > for nearly
> > > > > > > 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer
> > > > > > > here at
> > > > my
> > > > > > > house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.!
> > > > > > > Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because
> > > > > > > they
> > > > adapted
> > > > > > > to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons.
> > > > > > > We also have harriers.
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from
> > > > > > > Europe?...they were brought to New York at first.
> > > > > > > They even have migratory behavier there..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adrie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover
> > > > > > > <daneglover at gmail.com
> > > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Adrie!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You
> > > > > > > > can always spot them perched ominously on a branch with
> > > > > > > > wings displayed menacingly. When
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be
> > > > > > > > angry
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are
> > > > > > > > really doing is
> > > > > > > drying
> > > > > > > > their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > waterfowl
> > > > > > > > like ducks and such.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter.
> > > > > > > > You see
> > > > > > > him/her
> > > > > > > > coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It
> > > > > > > > then stands for hours on end staring intently at the
> > > > > > > > water. The intensity of
> > > > its
> > > > > > > > glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all
> > > > > > > > of a sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with
> > > > > > > > a fish wriggling in its beak. I am
> > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > if I had koi, they would be long gone by now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps
> > > > > > > > where vast mats
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy
> > > > > > > > munching on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma
> > > > > > > > manatee and her calf visited my canal for a couple days.
> > > > > > > > You see them mostly out on the
> > > > > > rivers, though.
> > > > > > > > Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps,
> > > > > > > > along with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed
> > > > > > > > peregrine falcons
> > > > as
> > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > can always tell them by their high-pitched screech.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger
> > > > > > > > <parser666 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello , Dan, long time no see..
> > > > > > > > > The blue herons along with the white are a real pest
> > > > > > > > > here.Two years
> > > > > > > ago a
> > > > > > > > > blu heron was able to
> > > > > > > > > steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That
> > > > > > > > > one is still
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > now, with some goldfish.I had to cover the whole pond
> > > > > > > > > with nets on a permanent base.Another
> > > > pest
> > > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > the great cormorant which is a special guest at the
> > > > > > > > > canal here.They own it!.
> > > > > > > > > Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in
> > > > > > > > > 50 years
> > > > or
> > > > > > > > so,..in
> > > > > > > > > the yacht harbour.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Adrie
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <
> > > > > daneglover at gmail.com
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hello old friends,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I
> > > > > > > > > > couldn't sell,
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack
> > > > > > > > > > perched precariously
> > > > > > > > > close
> > > > > > > > > > to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I
> > > > > > > > > > spend my days
> > > > > > > > > sitting
> > > > > > > > > > in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators,
> > > > > > > > > > otters,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a
> > > > > > > > > > reference
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > Zen and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Art
> > > > > > > > > > of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced
> > > > > > > > > > Key-Shot) by
> > > > > > > Salman
> > > > > > > > > > Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I
> > > > > > > > > > think part of
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here
> > > > > > > > > > even in
> > > > > > > December
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > January and February whereas in Chicago the weather
> > > > > > > > > > was intent on
> > > > > > > > killing
> > > > > > > > > > me six months out of the year. I also like to think
> > > > > > > > > > what I do write
> > > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > more quality than the torrent of words I once produced
> > > > > > > > > > though
> > > > in
> > > > > > > that I
> > > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > most likely fooling myself.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking,
> > > > > > > > > > biking,
> > > > > > > running,
> > > > > > > > > > swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of
> > > > > > > > > > youth and dammit
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music
> > > > > > > > > > both new and
> > > > > > > > old,
> > > > > > > > > > catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems
> > > > > > > > > > particularly
> > > > > > > > > apropos
> > > > > > > > > > to these long and sunny Florida afternoons.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Life is good.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A rip tide is raging
> > > > > > > > > > And the life guard is away But the ocean doesn't want
> > > > > > > > > > me today The ocean doesn't want me today (Tom Waits)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger
> > > > > > > > > > <parser666 at gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual
> > > > suspects..
> > > > > > > > > > > ,in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a
> > > > > > > > > > > house that i had
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > > myself (3 yrs work), i halted my postings to the
> > > > > > > > > > > list.After some time it went
> > > > > > > > > silent.Probably
> > > > > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > > was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never
> > > > > > > > > > > checked anymore,
> > > > > > > nor
> > > > > > > > > > did i
> > > > > > > > > > > hear anything.
> > > > > > > > > > > So you are the first ,Matt.
> > > > > > > > > > > I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still
> > > > > > > > > > > riding my bicycle
> > > > > > > > > daily,
> > > > > > > > > > > do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time
> now.
> > > > > > > > > > > But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under
> > > > > > > > > > > lockdown and with
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in
> > > > > > > > > > > the Netherlands,
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > to stay in Belgium nowadays.
> > > > > > > > > > > We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and
> > > > > > > > > > > they are
> > > > > > > > patrolling
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > little forest we have there , so the only thing we
> > > > > > > > > > > can do for now
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there
> > > > > > > > > > > , on
> > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > distance from each other. Its our
> > > > > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > > > tranquility base , so we have to guard it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope
> > > > > > > > > > > its a location
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > allows you to weather this viral storms ...
> > > > > > > > > > > Missed you all, Krimel included.
> > > > > > > > > > > Adrie
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <
> > > > > Scribe at club-hub.com
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matt,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > old day on the
> > > > > > > > > MoQ.
> > > > > > > > > > In
> > > > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > memory they take shape as Good old days in a way
> > > > > > > > > > > > few reflection
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > past
> > > > > > > > > > > > do these days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to
> > > > > > > > > > > > reveal my true
> > > > > > > name,
> > > > > > > > > > > which I
> > > > > > > > > > > > thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to
> > > > > > > > > > > > graduate school in
> > > > > > > > > > > communication
> > > > > > > > > > > > but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a
> > > > master's,
> > > > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught
> > > > > > > > > > > > Psychology but
> > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > classes
> > > > > > > > > > > > in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last
> > > > > > > > > > > > year and spent
> > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We
> > > > > > > > > > > > had similar plans
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > > > > > but they have been delayed...
> > > > > > > > > > > > There is a serious irony for me with respect to
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > MoQ.
> > > > > > > > > > > > When I
> > > > > > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > graduate school, I was averaging four or five page
> > > > > > > > > > > > of writing a
> > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > community. Graduate school gave me writer's block.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It was too
> > > > > > > > > focused,
> > > > > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > > > > > controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong
> > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote a lot
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > graduate
> > > > > > > > > > > > school but it was not for fun and other than being
> > > > > > > > > > > > an asshole on
> > > > > > > > > > > Facebook I
> > > > > > > > > > > > don't do it much these days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well
> > > > > > > > > > > > most of you,
> > > > > > > > > > fiercely.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Krimel
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Moq_Discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org>
> > > > On
> > > > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kundert
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It's been three years since I've checked this
> > > > > > > > > > > > email and
> > > > five
> > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > to the listserve.  I was just talking to a friend,
> > > > > > > > > > > > outside,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 8
> > > > > > > feet
> > > > > > > > > > away,
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she
> > > > > > > > > > > > brought up
> > > ZMM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > chatted a
> > > > > > > > > > > > little while about it, and am going to give her
> > > > > > > > > > > > one of the many
> > > > > > > > > copies
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > still have squirreled away.  I haven't read it
> > > > > > > > > > > > since I taught it
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > 2014,
> > > > > > > > > > > > but I still think it is one of the most remarkably
> > > > > > > > > > > > structured
> > > > > > > > books.
> > > > > > > > > > > I've
> > > > > > > > > > > > been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years
> > > > > > > > > > > > now, and
> > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > > responsiveness
> > > > > > > > > > > > is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and
> > feeling.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic
> > overture.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > real
> > > > > > > > > > > > nostalgia
> > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello
> > > > > > > > > > > > to any of my
> > > > > > > old
> > > > > > > > > > > friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > and interlocutors who still receive these emails.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I still feel
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > participation many years ago was integral to my
> > > > intellectual
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > stylistic
> > > > > > > > > > > > growth.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope everyone is well.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Matt
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