[MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends

Jan Anders Andersson jananderses at telia.com
Sun May 17 13:13:30 PDT 2020


Ant

My bad, I was not really exact there, sorry for that. I was on a trip and had only my cellphone available. Now I’m home again and able to consult Lila, ch 12-13 for the right words. I meant parthenogenesis vs sexual reproduction, where sexual reproduction is better because it makes sexually reproduced patterns superior to patterns reproduced by mitosis. This because sexual reproduction by two different orginals leads to more mutations per time unit and different offsprings so that viruses which mutates at a slower rate can’t infect them all and in the long round. Social patterns are made of a lot of different individuals. Statistically there is always at least 2% that are so different so they will survive any single virus. There is also an advantage in keeping social distance which mr Johnson seem to understand now.

Time is the vital component here. Along the evolutionary scheme, from Event no 1 to today, we know how the levels emanate as layers put on top the former. The betterness might be described as the difference between eating a hot dog and a cold one, kissing a person you like or a dog you don’t. Lila was good biological, but not that socially good etc.  (The unpredictable and unreliable John kisses Rosa passionately while contemplating her father’s attempt to resolve π. Could that be the tipping point for Event no 1?)

So now we’re waiting for Denver Dave to appear? I'm looking forward to that. 

All the best

Jan-Anders

> 17 maj 2020 x kl. 18:37 skrev Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
> 
> Jan-Anders!
> 
> Now that's a name I've heard (as did Robert Pirsig) for many years.  One of the 'more balanced' contributors to MOQ Discuss, as I remember...
> 
> Anyway, Jan, could you expand on how Mitosis (a cell dividing into two) vs Meiosis (a cell dividing into four) relates to 'the 3rd level' i.e. social patterns and the Corona Virus (let alone 'the general public'!)?  As many people around here know, I'm a bit slow in relating these type of things...  😉
> 
> Very best wishes,
> 
> Ant
> 
> Jan-Anders said:
> 
> 'We know that the Corona issue is just another example of how the Mitosis vs Meiosis works and defines the arise of the 3rd level. By giving examples to the public we might be able to pay more attention to that.'
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of Jan-Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com>
> Sent: 17 May 2020 09:27
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
> 
> Hi Ant
> 
> Nice to see that your still on stage.
> 
> Yes, media people that are occupied by 3rd-level competition to keep their personal status aren’t interested in revealing the shift between the 2nd and 3rd level.
> I think that we are responsible for the administration of the intellectual heritage from RMP and it should be our mission to bring that to the general public.
> We know that the Corona issue is just another example of how the Mitosis vs Meiosis works and defines the arise of the 3rd level. By giving examples to the public we might be able to pay more attention to that.
> 
> Policies in different countries are based on power by force or the use of statistics and I think that the public understanding of MOQ should prosper from just one or another hint about this. I think that just any good thought will spread as rings on the water.
> 
> There are two strategic views at the intellectual level, command and agreement, which both must be at place, and in balance, to manage the lower levels. Today we can see examples of how exaggerations of one leads to frustration and opposition. Most media people doesn’t know much about this at all. I’m using facebook, small talk and my writing for this.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Jan-Anders
> 
>> 17 maj 2020 kl. 05:42 skrev Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>:
>> 
>> Interesting times, hey?
>> 
>> As Bill Hicks would say 'It times like this, you see people's (and co(u)ntries) genuine colo(u)rs!' Heh, heh, heh...
>> 
>> Fortunately, where I live there's no known Corona Virus infections but I look around the world and can see quite a difference of Quality in how this relatively minor infection (if it had seen off a billion people by this stage - I'd be concerned - it's no where near that...) has been regarded & treated.
>> 
>> I wonder which co(u)ntries have had the best policies to deal wirh it?  South Korea?   New Zealand?  Sweden?  What's YOUR opinon in this regard?   I know it isn't the US let alone the UK.  In fact it's laughable here - we have some clown in southern England called 'Mr Johnson' thinking he's a prime minister and who got the virus!  LOL!  That made my year (or at least a month) comedy-wise.  I love looking at his latest videos now - witb the sound off and listening to a certain song by RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE (I'll give you a hint it begins with FU).   More seriously, I wish people like him & Trump would just go away and retire on Richard Branson's island... think what Mark Twain said about people wanting to become leaders?!!   (Never mind, I had to deal with Punk in the 1970s and the new Romantics plus the SMITHS & Thatcher in the 1980s so it has been worse).
>> 
>> I leave a final thought for you to ponder... is all this Corona-19 infection media blitz simply deflecting the (so-called) general public from more critical issues?
>> 
>> Kind regards to all; sleep tight,
>> 
>> Ant
>> 
>> P.S. Hope you enjoyed your European travels Krimel.  Sorry you felt Horse & me had betrayed you by revealing your 'real' name.  But 'get real', do you think anyone is THAT interested?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of Jan-Anders Andersson <jananderses at telia.com>
>> Sent: 25 April 2020 20:35
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>> 
>> Hello everyone of you MOQers
>> 
>> Great that this line is still open!
>> 
>> I am well, playing my accordion and working on the sequel of Money and the Art...
>> 
>> best wishes to
>> you all
>> 
>>> 25 apr. 2020 kl. 21:42 skrev Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hello old friends,
>>> 
>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't sell, and
>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched precariously close
>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my days sitting
>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and blue
>>> herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to Zen and the Art
>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by Salman
>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything.
>>> 
>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part of that has
>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in December and
>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent on killing
>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do write now has
>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in that I am
>>> most likely fooling myself.
>>> 
>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, running,
>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and dammit if it
>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new and old,
>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems particularly apropos
>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons.
>>> 
>>> Life is good.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> A rip tide is raging
>>> And the life guard is away
>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today
>>> The ocean doesn't want me today
>>> (Tom Waits)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. ,in the
>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i had to do up
>>>> myself (3 yrs work),
>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went silent.Probably i
>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked anymore, nor did i
>>>> hear anything.
>>>> So you are the first ,Matt.
>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my bicycle daily,
>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now.
>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and with the
>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the Netherlands, but have
>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays.
>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are patrolling the
>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for now is
>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and
>>>> just sit over there , on some distance from each other. Its our personal
>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it.
>>>> 
>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a location that
>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ...
>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included.
>>>> Adrie
>>>> 
>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <Scribe at club-hub.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day on the MoQ. In
>>>>> my
>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few reflection on the
>>>> past
>>>>> do these days.
>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my true name,
>>>> which I
>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school in
>>>> communication
>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, mostly
>>>> because
>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology but also
>>>> classes
>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and spent couple of
>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar plans this
>>>> year
>>>>> but they have been delayed...
>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. When I entered
>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of writing a day for
>>>> the
>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was too focused,
>>>> too
>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a lot for
>>>>> graduate
>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an asshole on
>>>> Facebook I
>>>>> don't do it much these days.
>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of you, fiercely.
>>>>> Krimel
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> Kundert
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five since I
>>>> wrote
>>>>> to the listserve.  I was just talking to a friend, outside, 8 feet away,
>>>> on
>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM.  We chatted a
>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the many copies I
>>>>> still have squirreled away.  I haven't read it since I taught it in 2014,
>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably structured books.
>>>> I've
>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its
>>>> responsiveness
>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture.  The real
>>>>> nostalgia
>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of my old
>>>> friends
>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails.  I still feel that my
>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual and
>>>> stylistic
>>>>> growth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope everyone is well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> Former Apostate
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