Hi Mark,

Mark said:  
This Code of Art business has been so downgraded to a superficial patina  
slapped on as an after thought in the West i feel unqualified to discuss it in  
depth with you.

The Code of Art is not a prominent aspect of my culture and i've had to  
direct my attension to other cultural sources for insights into what it is  about.
It's a fine thing and i don't wish to insult it.

David responds:
Actually I think an example of The Code of Art is Democracy. Democracy, unlike Communism, is always changing, people see things they think are good (or have a dim apprehension of) and persue them, sometimes successfully, sometimes not.

Mark said: 
A Master has got it - he/she isn't trying to get it.

David responds:
Okay, if it makes it simpler for you, scratch trying.   All are following the Code of Art, whether trying or not.

Mark said: OK. So your position seems to equate responding to DQ and  the 
Code of Art simpliciter.
They are the same thing.
All patterns respond to DQ, and doing so means they follow the Code of  Art.
But as i've stated, responding to DQ may be degenerate.
In this case, you regard the Code of Art to be followed poorly.
So, in your view, Hitler followed the Code of Art. Poorly to be sure, but  he 
was following the Code of Art non the less. Do you seriously believe this is  
what the Code of Art is all about? Surely, 'poor excellence' is an  oxymoron?

David responds:
Yes I agree, exactly, 'poor excellence' *is* an oxymoron and that's why we would never say Hitler was following the Code of Art unless you were trying to show how bad at it he was.  To be sure, my view of Hitler is that he pursued degenerate *static* social patterns of celebrity.

David said:"Because static patterns  exist it is important to emphasize the 
difficulty of  everything  following the Code of Art.   While maintaining biological  
and  social patterns it can be followed using the concept of   [[rta]]."

Mark said: My take on rta is that it is Quality (DQ). Therefore, rta is  
not a concept.

David responds:
I Disagree.  I think that rta is a concept. Rta is the concept of perfecting static patterns at which point they dissapear (DQ). It uniquely combines SQ and DQ with no conflict.  

Mark said:
sq patterns are concepts. 

David responds:
Agreed.

Mark said:
The Code of Art aims for excellent relationship of sq patterns, and in so doing reveals DQ. 

David responds:
I think your sounding like I was with that slippery word 'trying'.  I'll catch you on the same thing you did me earlier.  The Code of Art has no effort involved.  We just follow it. Emphasis on just. 

If you want to keep this word aims however, you could say 

"The Code of Art aims for DQ." That way, as we both know, DQ has no effort. If you aim for a static pattern such as excellence, you'll miss DQ.

Mark said:
Running around in a circle is a sq pattern, and if you do it well enough you will kill those patterns by running a perfect circle and reveal DQ.

David responds:
I agree. I call it rta!

"There at the center of the most monotonous boredom of static ritualistic patterns, the dynamic freedom is found." -RMP

Cheers Mark,

Great conversation.

-David.