[MF] MOQ: valuable or not?
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Muzikhed at aol.com
Sat Feb 25 09:18:24 PST 2006
dmbuchanan wrote:
I don't think anyone is served by believing unbelievable things.
I don't think we should disregard or disrespect intellectual validity just
because it might hurt somebody's feelings. I don't mean to be cruel, but if
reality hurts your feelings, then you've got a pretty serious problem. I
think that paying respect to the taboo against challenging religious beliefs
is a lot like giving smack to a junkie. He'll love you for it in the short
run, but you're not really doing the guy any favors. In fact, you're killing
him.
Please, feel free to correct me.
Ted writes, to David, and Kevin:
Kevin, I think David is arguing more against people like me here. I think
in David's eyes you have the delusion, it is I who am inclined to 'respect the
taboo against challenging' the delusion. By David's definition, I'm
currently killing my sister by not fighting against her delusions enough.
So, as I think we found before, I tend to agree with David the MoQ is a
better intellectual model of reality than "God is Love", but apparently unlike
David, I have a sense of symmetry that says - perhaps I also have a delusion,
perhaps I think my delusion is better than his. Maybe WAY, WAY better. But I
would not want to be scrutinized, and asked to justify by beliefs to any
intellectual panel. And I realize that symmetry, fairness, the Golden Rule,
Truth, Justice, and the American Way require that must grant those same rights
to have one's own delusion to everyone else also.
I do, however, agree with David, that it should be OK to criticize, I
absolutely agree that we who think we have a better understanding should have a
voice, we should not be silenced. But we have no right to unilaterally decide
that , since our thinking is better, we should probe and root out the God
force wherever we find it, right?
I think it's a more hopeless, like a catch 22 position, like, you can lead a
horse to water, but you can't make him drink. I've tried to argue it with
my sister, as I've detailed in past posts.
We can argue with Kevin, or try to explore his position, but I doubt we'll
change it much.
We seem to live in different worlds, almost with different languages, and
ways of seeing the world. But it comes a point where I say, OK, I have to
respect the other guy, too. I don't want to have to fight with every neighbor
who's got another variety of religious delusion.
There's one on every doorstep.
I joined an Art Gallery Co-op in the late 70's in New York State. The
members were pissed at art galleries rejecting their work based on old social
values. They wanted an art gallery open to EVERYONE. Trouble was, soon, people
came to join that had (obvious to all but the new applicant) snickeringly
inferior artwork. Now who was going to be the new judge of quality?
That's my issue, David, with your critique of Kevin, and religious faith.
Who's going to be the new judge of intellectual quality?
- Ted
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