[MD] Where does logic itself belong inside the MOQ?

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Joe

31 Dec. you wrote:

> My admiration for what you have achieved in your understanding of
> Pirsig is boundless. I am reminded of a limerick: There was a young
> fellow named Dick who had a corkscrew _____.  He went on a long lost
> hunt for a girl with a corkscrew ______.  When he found her he fell
> over dead!  She had a left-hand thread.

Wow! You are in the mood today ;.)

> Maybe I have a left-hand thread, but my roaming started when I was 12
> and has continued through pre-Socratics, up through Pirsig.    I don¹t
> know what is my level of understanding?  I don¹t even remember all the
> questions I have asked.  There is no doubt in my "mind" of your
> achievement with SOL....

Thanks for the good words, as told ZAMM's identification of a SOM 
and the promise of a development beyond it that was - and still is - 
my obsession. 

>  When I find the description of an evolution which follows the model of
> the musical octave I am amazed.  I found it early on like 60 years ago. 

This was  bit mysterious, please elaborate.

> Now ³logic² haunts me!  SOM is thoroughly discredited! The undefined
> becomes whatever I say it is?  This is wrong!  Somehow I must
> incorporate the undefined in my sense of evolution. Hence Gravity,
> Instinct, Consciousness seem to be characteristics in an
> undefined/defined evolution. 

If you say what I believe you say, we agree. DQ will not "become 
whatever I say it is". The known static sequence is mandatory, the 
intellectual level could not spring out of the inorganic. And by the way, 
this may be the reason behind much misunderstanding of the MOQ. 
See: SOM postulates that "mind emerges from matter" and if one 
draws a parallel here Inorganic=Matter/Intellect=Mind one gets the 
twisted MOQ that haunts this site, namely that the 4th. level is "mind", 
but MOQ's 1st. level is NOT matter and MOQ's 4th. level is NOT 
mind. 

But right now the said "logic itself" has brought me some qualms: If 
1+1=2 is something even Quality is subordinated, then IT (logic) is 
the most basic reality there is. This we better come to grips with. 
What do you think .....no new levels or roamings though ;-)

Bodvar