[MD] Where does logic itself belong inside the MOQ?

[John Carl]

Bo the derided,


> If you say what I believe you say, we agree. DQ will not "become
> whatever I say it is". The known static sequence is mandatory, the
> intellectual level could not spring out of the inorganic. And by the way,
> this may be the reason behind much misunderstanding of the MOQ.
> See: SOM postulates that "mind emerges from matter" and if one
> draws a parallel here Inorganic=Matter/Intellect=Mind one gets the
> twisted MOQ that haunts this site, namely that the 4th. level is "mind",
> but MOQ's 1st. level is NOT matter and MOQ's 4th. level is NOT
> mind.
>
>
Is energy "matter"?  Light?  Gravity?  Nope, tho E=Mc2 says they're related.
 And the 4th level is not mind but "mindfulness".

However Bo, I still don't see how you can deny 4th level mindfulness to
so-called "primitive" cultures when the people in these less developed
societies had more time on their hands to think about themselves, the stars
and the cosmos.  Admittedly not every person in the tribe contemplates such
things, but every tribe usually has one or two.

Troublemakers, they're called.



> But right now the said "logic itself" has brought me some qualms: If
> 1+1=2 is something even Quality is subordinated, then IT (logic) is
> the most basic reality there is. This we better come to grips with.
> What do you think .....no new levels or roamings though ;-)



Bo and Joe and (whatever happened to WillBlake2?) oughta look into the
logical roots of metaphysics as investigated and written by Josiah Royce,
who spent a great deal of energy on this topic in his later years and came
up with a buncha good stuff, way over my head (or inclination)

Right now I'm too fascinated with his (Royce's) discourses on California
History to go hunting troubles in the high country of the mind.  But good
luck to venturesome travelers yearning for the rarer air.

John the earthbound