[MD] What is the opposite of Quality?

[John Carl]

Greetings Bruce,

"Chaos" is a postulate.  We absolute pragmatists do not approve of mere
postulates as fundamentals in our metphyisics.

Next you'll be attempting to convince me of "substance" or "phlogoston" or
"unpatterned experience".

heh-heh.

John the Empiricist at whim


On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Bruce Underwood <
bruce.underwood at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hello Magnus,
>
> As I see it, Chaos is not a level nor is Quality. Levels represent a place
> in time on the evolutionary scale and current status of Static patterns of
> quality.  Each level represents a ratchet point that attempts to protect
> itself and it's achievements.  Quality's goal is to organize the best system
> possible, the ultimate static pattern.  The ultimate destruction of all
> static patterns is total chaos... no static patterns.  Check out slide 9,
> "Lila Train of Knowledge".
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:36:37 +0100
> > From: McMagnus at home.se
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] What is the opposite of Quality?
> >
> > Hi Bruce
> >
> > Nice presentation, I see you put a lot of effort into it. I have two main
> > objections though.
> >
> > * Quality is supposed to be all of reality. If Quality had an opposite,
> the
> > reality it was trying to encompass has to be larger than Quality. That
> would
> > mean it had failed to encompass all of reality. I.e. Quality doesn't have
> an
> > opposite.
> >
> > * You put chaos below the inorganic level, but lower levels are supposed
> to be
> > more static, whereas chaos isn't static at all. I guess you didn't intend
> chaos
> > to be a new level, but then you need to describe what it is, and as I
> said
> > above, it can't be the opposite of Quality.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Magnus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2010-01-05 17:04, Bruce Underwood wrote:
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> I have attached a link to a powerpoint that contain graphical
> representations of how I see MoQ. This ppt file contains 22 slides from many
> of my thoughts and ideas and is best viewed in presentation mode.
> >>
> >> The initial question is what is the opposite of Quality? After reading
> Lila, I felt like something was missing from my mental image. For me, it was
> the understanding of what the opposite of Quality is. It dawned on me that
> Quality is really organization. Quality is the evolution of organization;
> the driving force to organize the best systems of "energy". The opposite of
> organization is disorganization or chaos. This reminded me of the second law
> of thermodynamics: The universal law of increasing entropy, stating that
> every system left to its own devices always tends to move from order to
> disorder. The initial slides depict this in a few ways: Yin/Yang, tug-of
> war, and Quality pulling against the gravity of chaos.
> >>
> >> If there is an opposite side to Quality and that being chaos, is there a
> dynamic chaos or is it static and constant?
> >>
> >> Perhaps this is my feeble attempt to philosophize and not get too bogged
> down into "philosophology",but regardless putting this in a visual form
> helped me gather my thoughs.
> >>
> >> http://www.thinnerself.com/files/MoQ/lila-6a.ppt
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
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