[MD] Seriously, Dan

[Dan Glover]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com> wrote:
>> [Krimel]
>> "Reality as I understand it" is a set of concepts I have acquired over the
>> course of a lifetime of "being in the world".
>
> [Craig].
> So is English "as you understand it, a set of concepts you have acquired
> over the course of a lifetime"?  Or is it words, sentences, grammer, etc.?
>
> [Krimel]
> Well words sentence and grammar are also concepts acquired over a lifetime.
>
> [Dan]
>> The warmth I feel on my skin isn't really warmth on my skin. I know
>> intellectually that it's a mental representation of warmth on my skin
>> that I'm feeling.
>
> [Craig]
> Have you ever fallen asleep outside in the sun & woke up with a sunburn?

Dan:
No.

Craig:
> Does this make you think there is something going on besides your
> experiences?

Dan:
Something going on besides my experiences? If I did fall asleep in the
sun and wake up with a sunburn, wouldn't that be an experience? Craig.
Wake up. We are a collection of static patterns of value, not a lump
of flesh made to burn in the sun. I experience sunburn biologically,
socially, and intellectually (if I'm awake). If I'm asleep I still
experience sunburn biologically.

Dan:
> Do you wonder why you don't get a sunburn every night while you sleep in
> your bed?

Dan:
Honesty, no. Not till now. You're acting like you've never heard this
before. Read LILA again if you have to, but please.

Craig:
I think you are both making things more difficult than they are.
>

Dan:
Make it simple for me then. But don't be stupid Craig. It doesn't
become you. Tell me, is there a little tunnel in each eye that lets
light into the brain?

> [Krimel]
> I do think we are making it more complicated than it is. To simplify, I
> guess I would have to say that, I am suspicious of phenomenology as an
> approach to ontology.

Dan:
But Krimel, we're talking about experience as a whole. There's nothing
easy about it. Yes we need to keep it as simple as possible but what
if it's not? Possible, I mean. Anyway, I'm just talking out my ass now
so I'll shut up.

Dan