[MD] Intellectual and Social

Steven Peterson peterson.steve at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 04:43:19 PST 2010


Hi Bruce:

Bruce:
> Perhaps I am too new to this to jump in here, but I see a need to define what I call "Struggles" between the levels and "Struggles" within the level.  The advantage of defining these "Struggles" is to provide the ability to view any problem from a perspective and advantage of the MoQ that has perhaps never been achieved. It is how these levels interact within between each other and within.
> Struggles:
>    Inorganic Static Patterns  Reducing to Subatomic Particles
>    Inorganic Static Patterns against other Inorganic Static Patterns
>    Between Biological and Inorganic
>    Between Biological and Biological
>    Between Social and Biological
>    Between Social and Inorganic
>    Between Social and Social
>    Between Intellectual and Social
>    Between Intellectual and Biological
>    Between Intellectual and Inorganic
>    Between Intellectual and Intellectual

Pirsig used the word "struggles" as well in describing these
interactions between levels:

"First, there were moral codes that established the supremacy of
biological life over inanimate nature.  Second, there were moral codes
that established the supremacy of the social order over biological
life-conventional morals-proscriptions against drugs, murder,
adultery, theft and the like.  Third, there were moral codes that
established the supremacy of the intellectual order over the social
order-democracy, trial by jury, freedom of speech, freedom of the
press.  Finally there's a fourth Dynamic morality which isn't a code.
He supposed you could call it a "code of Art" or something like that,
but art is usually thought of as a such a frill that that title
undercuts its importance.  The morality of the brujo in Zuñi-that was
Dynamic morality.What was emerging was that the static patterns that
hold one level of organization together are often the same patterns
that another level of organization must fight to maintain its own
existence.  Morality is not a simple set of rules.  It's a very
complex struggle of conflicting patterns
of values.  This conflict is the residue of evolution.  As new
patterns evolve they come into conflict with old ones.  Each stage of
evolution creates in its wake a wash of problems.
It's out of this struggle between conflicting static patterns that the
concepts of good and evil arise."

I don't think he talks much about struggles within levels.

Best,
Steve



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