[MD] Intellectual and Social

[Platt Holden]

Hey Steve,

Excellent. These "struggles" between and within moral levels is central to
understanding the MOQ. The one remaining question that I don't think anyone
has answered is: "Are moral values and their struggles empirical facts?

Thanks.

Platt

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Steven Peterson <peterson.steve at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Bruce:
>
> Bruce:
> > Perhaps I am too new to this to jump in here, but I see a need to define
> what I call "Struggles" between the levels and "Struggles" within the
> level.  The advantage of defining these "Struggles" is to provide the
> ability to view any problem from a perspective and advantage of the MoQ that
> has perhaps never been achieved. It is how these levels interact within
> between each other and within.
> > Struggles:
> >    Inorganic Static Patterns  Reducing to Subatomic Particles
> >    Inorganic Static Patterns against other Inorganic Static Patterns
> >    Between Biological and Inorganic
> >    Between Biological and Biological
> >    Between Social and Biological
> >    Between Social and Inorganic
> >    Between Social and Social
> >    Between Intellectual and Social
> >    Between Intellectual and Biological
> >    Between Intellectual and Inorganic
> >    Between Intellectual and Intellectual
>
> Pirsig used the word "struggles" as well in describing these
> interactions between levels:
>
> "First, there were moral codes that established the supremacy of
> biological life over inanimate nature.  Second, there were moral codes
> that established the supremacy of the social order over biological
> life-conventional morals-proscriptions against drugs, murder,
> adultery, theft and the like.  Third, there were moral codes that
> established the supremacy of the intellectual order over the social
> order-democracy, trial by jury, freedom of speech, freedom of the
> press.  Finally there's a fourth Dynamic morality which isn't a code.
> He supposed you could call it a "code of Art" or something like that,
> but art is usually thought of as a such a frill that that title
> undercuts its importance.  The morality of the brujo in Zuñi-that was
> Dynamic morality.What was emerging was that the static patterns that
> hold one level of organization together are often the same patterns
> that another level of organization must fight to maintain its own
> existence.  Morality is not a simple set of rules.  It's a very
> complex struggle of conflicting patterns
> of values.  This conflict is the residue of evolution.  As new
> patterns evolve they come into conflict with old ones.  Each stage of
> evolution creates in its wake a wash of problems.
> It's out of this struggle between conflicting static patterns that the
> concepts of good and evil arise."
>
> I don't think he talks much about struggles within levels.
>
> Best,
> Steve
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