[MD] Avatars, SOM and me

[John Carl]

Marsha,

The child is the father of the man, and thus perhaps, his master as well.
 In that case, your question is especially relevant; Is there a separation?

We shall see!

we are

momentary in nature,

but monumental in a moment,

creating ripples in the

earthen vibrations

          that flutter through

empty     space,

organizing a rhythmic clutter into human art.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:02 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:17 AM, John Carl wrote:
>
> > You had to suffer shipwreck though your own efforts before you were ready
> to
> > seize the lifebelt he threw you.... The Master knows you and each of his
> > pupils much better than we know ourselves.  He reads in the souls of his
> > pupils more than they care to admit.
> >
> > Eugen Herrigel, Zen and the Art of Archery
>
>
> John,
>
>  Is there a separation between master and student?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > So I was thinking the other day, about writing.  My brother in law wrote
> a
> > book about when he and Lu were kids growing up in Africa and he used a
> > literary device, I think it's called the "second person objective" or
> > something like that.  It went something like this:
> >
> > You walk down the hall to get a glass of water, you see that there is a
> need
> > for another log on the fire and the cat needs to come in, so you set down
> > your glass and open the woodstove...
> >
> > I guess it could be interesting if done really well, but coming from pure
> > narcissism it's just real annoying.  It flows from the assumption that
> > everybody else would see things the way I see them, naturally.
> >
> > But then, he's annoying like that so I guess it makes sense that his
> writing
> > would be too.
> >
> >
> > Now, Pirsig, on the other hand, writes about himself in the third person,
> > while narrating from the first person:  I used to know this guy, I knew
> him
> > really well.  He's gone now, but not forgotten for he turned into me.
> >
> > See, the "me" that is in the past is just as much an entity separate from
> > who I am now, than any other person I've read about in history books.
>  But
> > we don't think like that.  We should, but we don't.  But writing that way
> > sort of forces you to confront the real situation as it is, and to an
> > extent, by playing with the definitions of self, frees you from the
> > ego-attachment to your old self.
> >
> > And really, when I'm writing about the guy I used to be, why should I do
> him
> > any favors?  He's certainly never done me any.  If he had any
> consideration
> > for me, he'd have dieted and exercized more and taken better care of his
> > body so that when it came time for me to use it, I'd be in real good
> shape.
> >
> > On the other hand, I can't criticize him too hard because if I was in his
> > position, I'd probably have done the same thing.  In fact, that's what
> > happened.
> >
> > Anyway, I wonder if any of you literary types are familiar with this
> > technique and know what it's called.  Lots of writers have referred to
> their
> > past in the third person, but not from the ongoing narration of the first
> > person.  Pirsig did it because his past person was separated from his
> > present person by electroshock therapy, but it doesn't take anything that
> > dramatic to realize the separation.  All it takes is a realization of  a
> > momentary separation between him and me.
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