[MD] Avatars, SOM and me

[MarshaV]

Hmmmmmmmmmm.  

This morning the flutter was 6.5 on the Richter scale.  








On Jan 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> The child is the father of the man, and thus perhaps, his master as well.
> In that case, your question is especially relevant; Is there a separation?
> 
> We shall see!
> 
> we are
> 
> momentary in nature,
> 
> but monumental in a moment,
> 
> creating ripples in the
> 
> earthen vibrations
> 
>          that flutter through
> 
> empty     space,
> 
> organizing a rhythmic clutter into human art.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:02 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:17 AM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>> You had to suffer shipwreck though your own efforts before you were ready
>> to
>>> seize the lifebelt he threw you.... The Master knows you and each of his
>>> pupils much better than we know ourselves.  He reads in the souls of his
>>> pupils more than they care to admit.
>>> 
>>> Eugen Herrigel, Zen and the Art of Archery
>> 
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> Is there a separation between master and student?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So I was thinking the other day, about writing.  My brother in law wrote
>> a
>>> book about when he and Lu were kids growing up in Africa and he used a
>>> literary device, I think it's called the "second person objective" or
>>> something like that.  It went something like this:
>>> 
>>> You walk down the hall to get a glass of water, you see that there is a
>> need
>>> for another log on the fire and the cat needs to come in, so you set down
>>> your glass and open the woodstove...
>>> 
>>> I guess it could be interesting if done really well, but coming from pure
>>> narcissism it's just real annoying.  It flows from the assumption that
>>> everybody else would see things the way I see them, naturally.
>>> 
>>> But then, he's annoying like that so I guess it makes sense that his
>> writing
>>> would be too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now, Pirsig, on the other hand, writes about himself in the third person,
>>> while narrating from the first person:  I used to know this guy, I knew
>> him
>>> really well.  He's gone now, but not forgotten for he turned into me.
>>> 
>>> See, the "me" that is in the past is just as much an entity separate from
>>> who I am now, than any other person I've read about in history books.
>> But
>>> we don't think like that.  We should, but we don't.  But writing that way
>>> sort of forces you to confront the real situation as it is, and to an
>>> extent, by playing with the definitions of self, frees you from the
>>> ego-attachment to your old self.
>>> 
>>> And really, when I'm writing about the guy I used to be, why should I do
>> him
>>> any favors?  He's certainly never done me any.  If he had any
>> consideration
>>> for me, he'd have dieted and exercized more and taken better care of his
>>> body so that when it came time for me to use it, I'd be in real good
>> shape.
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, I can't criticize him too hard because if I was in his
>>> position, I'd probably have done the same thing.  In fact, that's what
>>> happened.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I wonder if any of you literary types are familiar with this
>>> technique and know what it's called.  Lots of writers have referred to
>> their
>>> past in the third person, but not from the ongoing narration of the first
>>> person.  Pirsig did it because his past person was separated from his
>>> present person by electroshock therapy, but it doesn't take anything that
>>> dramatic to realize the separation.  All it takes is a realization of  a
>>> momentary separation between him and me.
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