[MD] Avatars, SOM and me

[John Carl]

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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:09 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> This morning the flutter was 6.5 on the Richter scale.
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> On Jan 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, John Carl wrote:
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> > Marsha,
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> > The child is the father of the man, and thus perhaps, his master as well.
> > In that case, your question is especially relevant; Is there a
> separation?
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> > We shall see!
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> > we are
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> > momentary in nature,
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> > but monumental in a moment,
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> > creating ripples in the
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> > earthen vibrations
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> >          that flutter through
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> > empty     space,
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> > organizing a rhythmic clutter into human art.
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> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:02 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> >> On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:17 AM, John Carl wrote:
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> >>> You had to suffer shipwreck though your own efforts before you were
> ready
> >> to
> >>> seize the lifebelt he threw you.... The Master knows you and each of
> his
> >>> pupils much better than we know ourselves.  He reads in the souls of
> his
> >>> pupils more than they care to admit.
> >>>
> >>> Eugen Herrigel, Zen and the Art of Archery
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> >> John,
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> >> Is there a separation between master and student?
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> >> Marsha
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> >>> So I was thinking the other day, about writing.  My brother in law
> wrote
> >> a
> >>> book about when he and Lu were kids growing up in Africa and he used a
> >>> literary device, I think it's called the "second person objective" or
> >>> something like that.  It went something like this:
> >>>
> >>> You walk down the hall to get a glass of water, you see that there is a
> >> need
> >>> for another log on the fire and the cat needs to come in, so you set
> down
> >>> your glass and open the woodstove...
> >>>
> >>> I guess it could be interesting if done really well, but coming from
> pure
> >>> narcissism it's just real annoying.  It flows from the assumption that
> >>> everybody else would see things the way I see them, naturally.
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> >>> But then, he's annoying like that so I guess it makes sense that his
> >> writing
> >>> would be too.
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> >>>
> >>> Now, Pirsig, on the other hand, writes about himself in the third
> person,
> >>> while narrating from the first person:  I used to know this guy, I knew
> >> him
> >>> really well.  He's gone now, but not forgotten for he turned into me.
> >>>
> >>> See, the "me" that is in the past is just as much an entity separate
> from
> >>> who I am now, than any other person I've read about in history books.
> >> But
> >>> we don't think like that.  We should, but we don't.  But writing that
> way
> >>> sort of forces you to confront the real situation as it is, and to an
> >>> extent, by playing with the definitions of self, frees you from the
> >>> ego-attachment to your old self.
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> >>> And really, when I'm writing about the guy I used to be, why should I
> do
> >> him
> >>> any favors?  He's certainly never done me any.  If he had any
> >> consideration
> >>> for me, he'd have dieted and exercized more and taken better care of
> his
> >>> body so that when it came time for me to use it, I'd be in real good
> >> shape.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, I can't criticize him too hard because if I was in
> his
> >>> position, I'd probably have done the same thing.  In fact, that's what
> >>> happened.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, I wonder if any of you literary types are familiar with this
> >>> technique and know what it's called.  Lots of writers have referred to
> >> their
> >>> past in the third person, but not from the ongoing narration of the
> first
> >>> person.  Pirsig did it because his past person was separated from his
> >>> present person by electroshock therapy, but it doesn't take anything
> that
> >>> dramatic to realize the separation.  All it takes is a realization of
>  a
> >>> momentary separation between him and me.
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