[MD] Metaphysics

[markhsmit]

Bodvar to virtually all of us:

Yes, you bet, metaphysics in the the true MOQ  sense is reality, that's
the very point!

Hello Bodvar and All:
When I read this, something dawned on me but couldn?t give it
expression until I lay, quietly on my electric blanket (it is fucking
freezing here!).
Then it came to me...the passage in ZMM (I think) where Phaedrus has a
conversation with a priest and they are talking about the liturgy, the
most sacred part: when the wine changes into blood, and the bread
changes into the body of Christ. Phaedrus asks along the lines of;
(sorry I do not have a copy of ZMM with me) yes, but this is
symbolically..yeS??. No! says the priest, this is real. At that
moment, the wine and bread change into the actual blood and body of
Jesus Christ!
Christians all over the world actually and factually believe that this
is indeed the case. And, further more, the Bible is of course seen,
not as a book full of stories ( if I may take the liberty, as a book
full of fingers pointing to the moon!!) but as the actual word of God.
[Mark]: In response to Andre.
So Andre, you believe that it is not the word of God.  Let me remind
you that that is a belief too, no more or less than to believe it is.
However, your posts sounds rather righteous, as if you believe
that your belief is correct.  How did you get to this higher level?
How is it that your belief somehow is more right than, say, a
Christian's?  In fact your belief is so blind, that you think that
it is somehow outside the system of beliefs, somehow the right way to
believe.  Once you realize the relative nature of beliefs,
that is, that they are just opinions, you may see a little more.
So, yes, the wine is the blood of Christ to those that believe it,
and it is not to those who believe otherwise.  There is
no right or wrong, unless you believe you are God.  But of course if
your system of belief is that there isn't one, then you are something
else that is all knowing, or not.  There is a God and there isn't a
God, both are correct.  No need to take sides.

Cheers,
Mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I80FVFCHHNE&feature=response_watch
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