[MD] Metaphysics

[MarshaV]

On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:59 AM, markhsmit wrote:



Hi Mark,

Very interesting post.  It kind of has the ring of analogues all the way
down.  I do like that, but in my understanding, conventionally, or statically
speaking, some patterns  are conventionally more useful than others.  
This would make the levels more important.  Should I be a "believer" in
God because it's a social imperative?  If it's to avoid being burned at the 
stake, it might be a smart idea to state that one believes in God, but for
any intellectual reason, then I don't think so.   


Marsha




> Bodvar to virtually all of us:
> 
> Yes, you bet, metaphysics in the the true MOQ  sense is reality, that's
> the very point!

> Hello Bodvar and All:
> When I read this, something dawned on me but couldn?t give it
> expression until I lay, quietly on my electric blanket (it is fucking
> freezing here!).
> Then it came to me...the passage in ZMM (I think) where Phaedrus has a
> conversation with a priest and they are talking about the liturgy, the
> most sacred part: when the wine changes into blood, and the bread
> changes into the body of Christ. Phaedrus asks along the lines of;
> (sorry I do not have a copy of ZMM with me) yes, but this is
> symbolically..yeS??. No! says the priest, this is real. At that
> moment, the wine and bread change into the actual blood and body of
> Jesus Christ!
> Christians all over the world actually and factually believe that this
> is indeed the case. And, further more, the Bible is of course seen,
> not as a book full of stories ( if I may take the liberty, as a book
> full of fingers pointing to the moon!!) but as the actual word of God.

> [Mark]: In response to Andre.
> So Andre, you believe that it is not the word of God.  Let me remind
> you that that is a belief too, no more or less than to believe it is.
> However, your posts sounds rather righteous, as if you believe
> that your belief is correct.  How did you get to this higher level?
> How is it that your belief somehow is more right than, say, a
> Christian's?  In fact your belief is so blind, that you think that
> it is somehow outside the system of beliefs, somehow the right way to
> believe.  Once you realize the relative nature of beliefs,
> that is, that they are just opinions, you may see a little more.
> So, yes, the wine is the blood of Christ to those that believe it,
> and it is not to those who believe otherwise.  There is
> no right or wrong, unless you believe you are God.  But of course if
> your system of belief is that there isn't one, then you are something
> else that is all knowing, or not.  There is a God and there isn't a
> God, both are correct.  No need to take sides.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark

  
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