[MD] Where does logic itself belong inside the MOQ?

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Case 
(can I use your good old pseudonym, "Krimel" evokes some snot-like 
associations in my language, OK I try to use English)

12 Jan. you said. :

> No, I said our thinking is analog not digital. Look it up. I am tired
> of explaining the basics to the uneducated. 
 
I'm not that easily knocked of my perch. In the MOQ "thinking " is not 
split along intellect's material/mental, but is simply INTELLIGENCE. 
The biological "computer-like" facility the levels in turn have feed their 
"programs" into. After the biological stage when the neural system 
transcended the "read only" (instinct) stage and entered into the "read 
and write" stage, intelligence was in biology's service for aeons. Then 
the social level used it for its own purpose and now it is the intellectual 
level that "thinks" it is thinking itself, but the MOQ has started to 
demand "computer time" more and more.     

Thus to say that "thinking" is analog or digital does not mean much (I 
made a foray into the intellectual (SOM) realm but soon saw the catch)  
we may look at a digital watch and tell the time. or the position of the 
sun and "time" emerges.   

> This is just about exactly, what it, is NOT. Re-presentation, which is
> to say, memory, seems to involve efficiency in the patterns of neural
> firing. (Patterns... get it...) Processing seems to involve
> coordinated firing of multiple neural pathways. Most animals process
> sensation (input) in such a way as to produce behavior (output) that
> increases the probability of their survival into the next moment. They
> have a built in "sense" of probability. 

I guess we agree here, "thinking" or "intelligence" (whatever it's 
scientific workings are seen from intellect's objective p.o.v.) was once 
solely in biology's service (still is for the creatures at that level) Then 
society grew on top of biology and took over intelligence (that now was 
the human brain's power) and thinking was now applied to the social-
value-perceived reality - still is for those who have the "social" outlook. 
Then - as mentioned - intellect hijacked intelligence and "thinking" 
became synonymous with "intellect", hence the blind ally you and 
many of this site are in.   

Intellect is the highest and best level so I admire your knowledge about 
the material workings of the brain, but the MOQ has still to to occupy 
YOUR intelligence..       

Bodvar














> 
> Along this dimension of: from this moment until the next... a colony
> of slime mold can only calculate from here to there or me to not me.
> It's useful. It increases the probability that the colony will
> survive. 
> 
> Beatles sing about I, me, mine; 
> Here or there; hell, anywhere. 
> One toke over the line and it's, 
> I, me, mine. 
> 
> Neural networks, like our nervous systems, do not work according to
> algorhythmic rules. They do not move methodically from step to step;
> rung to rung... They jiggle, "til it feels right. They work according
> to: what works. They use what they just did to gauge their next move.
> As in chess, success is measured in terms of the number of moves into
> the future one can compute. Extension in time; that is, the duration
> backward and forward in time a system can use to decide what to do
> right frickin' NOW!; is a measure of consciousness. 
> 
> Living things are feedback loops. 
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