[MD] Where does logic itself belong inside the MOQ?

Krimel Krimel at Krimel.com
Wed Jan 13 08:05:41 PST 2010


[Bo]
I'm not that easily knocked of my perch. In the MOQ "thinking " is not 
split along intellect's material/mental, but is simply INTELLIGENCE. 
The biological "computer-like" facility the levels in turn have feed their 
"programs" into. 

[Krimel]
"Intelligence" is a term with many meanings. Intelligence tests seem to
measure math and verbal skills and predict success in school. Howard Gardner
suggests that there are at least six other kinds of intelligence that we
would do well to consider, including, social intelligence, athletic
intelligence and musical intelligence. From an MoQ perspective, we are less
concerned with intelligence (however one defines it) than with patterns of
intelligence.  

[Bo]
After the biological stage when the neural system 
transcended the "read only" (instinct) stage and entered into the "read 
and write" stage, intelligence was in biology's service for aeons. Then 
the social level used it for its own purpose and now it is the intellectual 
level that "thinks" it is thinking itself, but the MOQ has started to 
demand "computer time" more and more.  

Thus to say that "thinking" is analog or digital does not mean much (I 
made a foray into the intellectual (SOM) realm but soon saw the catch)  
we may look at a digital watch and tell the time. or the position of the 
sun and "time" emerges.    
  
[Krimel]
I have long supported the use of information systems metaphors to aid in the
understanding of how the "mind" works. But this is the first time I have
heard them used so badly and with so little foundation. It's like you are
writing them on slips of papers, shaking them up in a box and pulling them
out one at a time with your eyes closed.

There is precious little about the human nervous system or for that matter
the rest of our physiology that is "read only". We are dynamic interactive
systems and the one thing we do, like all living things, is interact with
and adapt to the world around us. Even our immune systems can "learn"
through classical conditioning. If you wear tight shoes, your skin will
learn from in and form blisters and/or callouses. 

[Bo]
I guess we agree here, "thinking" or "intelligence" (whatever it's 
scientific workings are seen from intellect's objective p.o.v.) was once 
solely in biology's service (still is for the creatures at that level) Then 
society grew on top of biology and took over intelligence (that now was 
the human brain's power) and thinking was now applied to the social-
value-perceived reality - still is for those who have the "social" outlook. 
Then - as mentioned - intellect hijacked intelligence and "thinking" 
became synonymous with "intellect", hence the blind ally you and 
many of this site are in.  

[Krimel]
Your use of anthropomorphic language as always, is misleading and misguided.
You make it sound like "biology" is running an employment service and
"intellectual" patterns have to fill out job applications with non-compete
clauses to get hired. Then you have "thug life" intellect car-jackings in
blind alleyways... 

[Bo]
Intellect is the highest and best level so I admire your knowledge about 
the material workings of the brain, but the MOQ has still to to occupy 
YOUR intelligence..       

[Krimel]
If by this you mean I haven't been sucked into being "S.hit O.utta L.uck"
yet, don't hold your breath.

By the way, despite your alleged "foray," nothing you say here suggests you
have the faintest idea of the meanings or distinctions between the terms
digital and analog.





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